XEROXOut of curiosity why are we assuming CO and ERW?
Delta for instance have stated their transatlantic business strategy vies-a-vie acquired 757-200s, is to use them on European routes which have little or no American scheduled service.
More likly that Delta would do LBIA-JFK then CO doing the Newark run imo.
XEROXBirmingham 994,900
according to Regional policy, EC. Leeds is the “second largest Metropolitan District in the UK”
XEROXWell considering Leeds which has a population of 719,000 and is the second largest of any metropolitan district in England, it is the only major UK area that has no t/Atlantic scheduled services, its difficult to understand.
One can argue that Manchester airport is in close proximity, and therefore Leeds doesn’t need to have such service, but Continental fly from both Glasgow and Edinburgh, 2 cities which are closer then Leeds and Manchester.
(Reference-Yorkshire Forward)
XEROXhideous
hehe, what an understatement!!
XEROX“Air Indian”
It doesnt make sense, grammatically its wrong:confused:
Air French.
Air Chinease.
Air Canadian.
???
XEROXWell i wonder how long it would take Shaheen to be banned by the E.U, its very dodgy having an unknown carrier doing such flights, it would be safer if a ME carrier did it.
XEROXHey Joey i dont want this to turn into a pissing contest, im not trolling – how can i when i myslf am a British Indian, a well wisher.:)
All i have posted in the last few days in what i have read from various news sources and speculate on them.
Regarding the Arrow-2 news, the Jerusalem post on the 14th February 2007 stated that a high ranking IAI CEO is going to discuss potential exports of such systems this week – confirming that South Korea, India and Turkey had all expressed an interest.
but their are a few things i would like to reply on.
Seems like somehow your in DEAD denial.
I dont see US breaking MCTR anytime soon.and oh, yes time has changed since then – we have had a succesful intercepts as well.why should we invest in foreign stuffs?
Yes and im happy India has made great strides in key critical defence components, but it hasn’t reached the end product yet has it. Im sure India will field a capable BMD system in the future but as I see it, they should invest in foreign equipment as a stop-measure until its own indigenous systems come online – Personally I think its about getting the right balance, procuring such system that is proven and which isn’t to expensive yet continuing making strides in developing an indigenous system.
Again in denial,
1> American stuff costs pretty much – every one knows that.
2> We are poor rice eating country – cannot afford so many patriots.
3> NOT relevant in Indias operational scenario.BMD is soemthing each country has diff needs.
1. Yes American stuff costs a lot because it’s probably the best, lots of time and money being spent on R&D for equipment that can win you wars.
2. Its India’s prerogative, though there are nations like Greece and Spain who use such systems (PAC-3) and they have smaller defence budgets then India.(correct me if im wrong)
3. You nor I know what is and isn’t relevant to India’s operational scenarios, if you did im sure you wouldnt be on this forum talking about it.
XEROXIndia: Powell to Tell India He Opposes Arrow Sale
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell is expected to tell Indian officials later this week that he opposes Indian efforts to import the Israeli Arrow missile defense system, the Washington Post reported today (see GSN, May 16). Powell has said he plans to visit India and Pakistan to discuss regional tensions (see GSN, July 10).
This is how old?, 3-4 years old, times have changed since then.
FYI the newspapers are on payroll to write whatever
Then what does that say about India as a democracy.
About Pac 3 – that thing costs more than its performance
I dont know that, and surly you wont know that if you work for Lockheed Martin.
XEROXThese are ridiculous articles (India is buying hornet/f16/p8/LCS/Aegis/Pac 3 ) what else is left?
Well the fact that India is entertaining their proposal, in the case of F-18, F-16 and P-8s shows that they are intrested.
WE HAVE DENIED PAC 3 long ago FOR ITS NON SUITABILITY WITH OUR INTEREST —- We asked for Arrow 2 but was denied – somehow US is not too keen to break MCTR at this juncture, because they knows the moment they does they’ll see kh-55 in Iran
Well im just speculating what these ‘officials’ have had to say, if you have hard facts to say India has rejected PAC-3s, and was rejected on the Arrow-2 then fair enoughy, show them.
Regarding MCTR, doesnt that apply to offensive missile systems and not defensive systems?
XEROXI think an Airbus 380 would go well with Blair’s ego.:)
But seriously, if their was to be a private government a/c would it be the American Boeing or European Airbus.
XEROXit is the case of america find out India is working on a rudimentary BMD system and thinking it might as well sell something similar since india would have it anyway.
and if india buys it then it might even go in favour of us policy and stiffle indias own BMD system.
But we all found out about PAD a few months ago when it was made public, hasnt India been talking with America, Isreal and Russia for their respective ABM systems for some time.
XEROXJUST look at the word carefully YOU know what happend
IAF
Indian air force = IAF
Isreali air force + IAF
Yes, i am well aware of the fact it is an JP article refering to the Isreali AF, but im reading in-between the lines.
While defense officials stressed that no “concrete offers were currently on the table,” they confirmed that South Korea, India and Turkey had expressed interest in the US-Israel developed system. Before such a sale takes place, IAI and Boeing would need to receive authorization from the Ministry of Defense and the US Missile Defense Agency.
and adding to this…
Lockheed`s PAC-3 anti-missile system to compete for Indian contract
New Delhi, Feb 16: The jointly developed PAC-3 anti-missile system by Lockheed Martin and Boeing is inching ahead in a bid to offer its equipment for Indian defence.The US government had initially given a briefing to the Indian government in September 2005 about the system.
Speaking at a round table conference on “Making Decisions in Missile Defence” here today, Peter J Mantle, President, Mantle and Associates said, “Indian military, key assets, nuclear power plants, seat of power and other icons of the growing Indian economy need protection from possible threats as far as 200 kilometres away. A high speed anti-missile system like the Patriot PAC-3 with a combination of THAD would be suitable.”
The missile defence system basically has three parts, which are an early warning system, an interceptor system and a BM/C3 network.
The short range and high speed PAC, which stands for Patriot Advanced Capability, and is an advanced version of the Patriot anti-missile system, is being partly funded by the NATO nations. Mantle also disclosed that the PAC-3 besides the PAC-2 and the French anti-missile system is also being funded by NATO.
Lieutenant General (retd) Dennis D Cavin of the US Army said that Lockheed Martin is keen to follow any government to government agreement. “Since dialogue has already begun, we would like to build a new relationship between both the nations based on trust and sustainability. The Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement has paved way for the same.”
Cavin further reiterated that fear of sanctions is baseless and needs to be done away with as the technology, repairs and spare parts would all be taken into account if the deal for the system came through.
One system comprising four batteries, 16 missiles, 80 interceptors and five launchers costs around 300 million dollars. ockheed Martin which opened its India office, in New Delhi in 2005, is working as a six member team and has its F-16 fighter aircraft, the C-130 J transport aircraft for the Indian Air Force (IAF) and the P3 Orion surveillance aircraft for the navy, on offer for the Indian Government, for which they are bidding.
Apart from the typos 🙂 , Is India going to invite tenders for such systems, her own ABM system will not be out anytime soon, and their will be ‘gaps’ to fill.
XEROXCould be in line for some intresting developments…
IAF mulls further ‘Arrow’ deployment
By YAAKOV KATZThe defense establishment is considering deploying new Arrow 2 missile batteries, in addition to the two currently in place, at sites throughout the country, including in the South, The Jerusalem Post has learned.
On Sunday night, the IAF successfully tested the Arrow 2 system against a missile impersonating an Iranian Shihab-3 carrying a nuclear warhead.
According to defense sources, the IAF plans to test an upgraded version of the missile called the Arrow 2.5 in two months. It is said to carry a larger warhead and to be capable of reaching higher altitudes, where it is safer to destroy nonconventional weapons.
The Post has also learned that Israel Aircraft Industries CEO Yitzhak Nissan will discuss potential exports of the Arrow with his US counterparts during a trip to Washington this week.
While defense officials stressed that no “concrete offers were currently on the table,” they confirmed that South Korea, India and Turkey had expressed interest in the US-Israel developed system. Before such a sale takes place, IAI and Boeing would need to receive authorization from the Ministry of Defense and the US Missile Defense Agency.
“The Arrow is the sole operational missile defense system in the world today,” one official said. “It is only natural that other countries would be interested in purchasing it.”
There are currently Arrow batteries stationed in Palmahim, south of Ashdod, and one in the North, near Ein Shemer. Sunday night’s test involved both Arrow batteries, with the one in Ein Shemer using its radar to locate and track the “enemy” missile and the one in Palmahim firing the interceptor.
As a result of Sunday’s successful test, the defense establishment is considering the deployment of additional Arrow missiles. The idea would be to position launchers and missiles in key locations – such as near the Dimona nuclear reactor – and to operate them together with the systems located in Palmahim and Ein Shemer.
Well India is working on its own ABM system, but that will take many years before it enters the fray, im sure some batteries of ARROW-2 will give the neighbours some itchy feet.
XEROX– «1.27 +», two RD-133 / RD-43, normal weight of 19000 kg, the sizes as at MiG-29, “tailless airplane” is probable
Their could be some substance to this, India too has(?) a tail-less aircraft design for its 5th generation requirments, the MCA.
XEROXHow much brains does one need to figure out that F-18 is a mediocre fighter in the class of F-15 and Su-30 and not a 20 ton fighter?
A fully loaded hornet E/F weights in at 21,320 kg, with the Raytheon APG-79 AESA radar and weaponary including JDAMs, AMRAAMs, JSOWs and LGBs – only a fool would call it ‘mediocre’
Unfortunately American bootlickers like you are plenty in this forum. Leave India’s decisions to GOI, IAf and IN. I would consider the opinion of officers and officials serving in these more valuable than silly testimonials from forum members here.
I get it now, your one of those anti-american, red badge wearing communist aren’t you? Well to appease people like you, India can always by from China too.
An American bootlicker I am not, a realist I am, and it’s perfectly evident that American defence technologies are up their amongst the very best and battle proven too. How many nations apart from them have mature stealth technology, mature satellite constellation systems, mature aegis missile systems, mature stealth SSNs boats – NONE.
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