On Saturday a new memorial to his memory is to be unveiled at the Museum of Flight, East Lothian, thanks to the efforts of the Scottish New Zealand Society.
Dave,
I assume the above comes from RNZAF News as well? Wherever it’s from, it’s wrong! This is not new and was put on display several years ago. It was removed as part of the redisplay of the collections but put back on display last year. An unveiling this weekend would be somewhat late, and there is nothing planned for Saturday that we know of!
I’m confused. Isn’t that a picture of a mock-up of it beside the text on the Thunder and Lightnings page?
Have you tried contacting Nick Forder at the Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester? He may well be very interested in these and, if so, would ensure that they are in the public domain.
Scott,
The earliest I have (which probably isn’t the earliest in Scotland, but is the earliest I know of in the Scottish Borders) is Avro 504K G-EAQV (ex-E9443), belonging to the Scottish Aerial Touring and Transportation Company. The aircraft crashed at Kelso on 24 May 1920 and was wrecked. The pilot and two passengers were only slightly hurt. Unfortunately, this is all the information I have, but it might be enough to find out more. If it does prove to be the first, and you need a more precise location, it might be worth contacting the Southern Reporter to print a letter requesting information.
Wieesso,
Thanks very much – I didn’t know about the LEMB database, which is a marvellous resource.
The fact that NU+TS does not appear suggests it may be a fictional code, or that it is not yet included in the database, since it is not comprehensive (but certainly the best listing by far!)
Thanks nonetheless for your help.
The model is definitely not designed as a flyer, either indoors or not and I see no connection with the Peanut flyers or other similar types. Sorry, but in this case there is no link.
The model is hand-made from wood which may explain a slight lack of 100% accuracy compared with injection-moulded plastic kits. From what I’ve seen (and thanks to everyone who has posted – I’m really grateful for your input) I’m pretty well convinced that wieesso is correct and the model represents a Klemm. The only real discrepancy is the inclusion of undercarriage doors, but otherwise it is a near perfect match and I’m inclined to go with this identification. Thanks wieesso, I had completely failed to consider the Klemm possibility.
This then raises the question of if it is indeed a Klemm, does NU+TS represent a real unit, and if so which one? Is it possible to identify which units operated Klemms and which codes their aircraft wore?
IAN BROWN
It was with great interest that I read your post on the aviation forum regarding the air crash that occurred on the island of Ischia on the 08/03/1947.
I have been asked by the Mayor of Serrara Fontana, Cesare Mattera, if I could do some research into this disaster as Mount Epomeo, where the crash occurred, is part of his “commune”. I would be pleased to discover if you obtained any further information that may help in my research. Was your request for details because of a personal interest?
Many thanksjohniacono
Sorry for the delay in replying. I’m afraid the only information I have discovered is what is posted by others in this thread. My interest was in the circumstances of the crash itself, due to my interest in Lt-Col Miles and his wartime work on radar.
The owner has said it was investigated many years ago by the Southampton Hall of Aviation (now Solent Sky) and, after several months, they concluded it was from the Sarafand. He added “some time later in the sarafand flying program new tip floats were fitted and the only ones made of stainless steel it does have id marks and part numbers.” But he hasn’t given me those yet.
Pondskater,
Thanks for this. I guess this id must be accurate and thanks for checking. Of course, if you can get him to reveal the part numbers, that would be even more help!
Cheers for now,
Ian
Pondskater,
May I ask how you were able to identify the float as coming from a Sarafand? The images I’ve seen of the Sarafand appear to have floats that look very different. For one, they don’t have the horizontal ribbing present on the one on eBay.
I don’t know a great deal about flying boats so would be interested how you can tell what this is from what little information is given on the eBay listing.
Cheers,
Ian
Cheers Ian. Is the book any good, and accurate re events?
According to ‘War Prizes’ Junkers Ju 88R-1 WNr 360043 coded D5+EV of IV/NJG3 was flown from Kristiansand/Kjevik in Norway to RAF Dyce, & was later allocated the s/n PJ876. It made 83 flights totalling 66 hours 55 minutes whilst with the RAE.
Geoff.
Geoff,
It is an interesting read, but very dated. At the time it was written, a lot of the official records on intelligence work had not been released, so I wouldn’t take everything in it as gospel.
As regards the crew and the flight, it is my understanding that the pilot was not a British agent but merely a social democrat and politically opposed to the Nazis. I do not believe that the aircraft was expected in Britain – one of the pilots has gone on record that he was scrambled to intercept a hostile and he almost shot it down. The aircraft had already been fired on by ground defences near Aberdeen, so I think the evidence that everything was pre-arranged by British intelligence and the pilot was working for them is flimsy and is based on out-dated and incorrect information.
I remember seeing a paperback book about this incident in a bookshop some 2o years ago. I’ve always regreted not buying it. Sadly I can’t recall the title or author.
Geoff.
Geoff,
This would be The Great Coup by Robert Hill and first published by Arlington Books in 1977. If you are still keen to obtain a copy, it should be available on abebooks.co.uk
I’ve just checked and there are 15 copies listed, from £27.60 for a first edition to 53p for a paperback.
114 MU
No 114 MU was reformed at Steamer Point, Aden, on 1 December 1946 as an Equipment Supply unit. It was disbanded on 1 september 1967.
Prior to this, the unit had existed between November 1941 and February 1943 as an Aircraft Storage Unit and then between March 1943 and November 1946 as an Equipment Holding Unit.
This information comes from the excellent Royal Air Force Flying Training and Support Units and is the only information I have. Further details do appear if you Google “114 Maintenance Unit.”
MT generally refers to ‘Motor Transport’
Moggy
Sorry to be pedantic, by MT actually stands for Mechanical Transport, at least up to the end of the WW2 period at any rate.
London Science Museum – Aviation
gloster meteor
One small point – the image above which you caption as being of a Gloster Meteor is in fact the Gloster E28/39, the first British jet powered aircraft to fly.
The answer all depends on your definition – are you referring to aircraft that were designed to have radar from the outset, or not? If not, the first Western jet fighter with radar was probably the Messerschmitt Me 262B-1a/U1. Ten of these were defending Berlin in early 1945.