Yes, I know all about the photography policy. This only applies to the use of cameras on tripods (I assume because if you’re not using a tripod, you are unlikely to get an image good enough for publication). My understanding is that this policy is aimed at preventing individuals profiting from the use of images of objects in the musuem’s collections. Whilst you are correct that it is difficult to prevent such images being published, having signed the form if you do publish the images without permission, legal action can be taken against you.
Bearing in mind that the aircraft are all fairly distinctive, and many of them are the sole survivors of type, combined with the fact that as a national museum the staff have contacts throughout the UK and overseas, I would have thought that the chances of an unauthorised published photo being spotted are actually quite high.
Another get-together at a later date sounds a great idea, although may I suggest that sometime next year might be better. At the present, Concorde is hoped to go on display in August, but it will be early next year before anyone will be able to get inside her. If we’re going to have a meet after Concorde is available, it would be better to have to whole shooting match, rather than just a look at the outside.
Keith,
Thanks for this. I look forward to meeting you. I’m assuming we won’t have access to the meeting room, since it’s in the main hangar where Concorde is going and which is off-limits at present. It may be possible to use another building, so do please bring along your projector and slides, but I can’t guarantee that it will ultimately be possible.
What does surprise me a little is that the museum, which re-opens to the public tomorrow, is expecting visitors to only visit the museum in escorted groups. That’s fine for some group visit to an abandoned mine or something like that, but an aviation museum which is charging an entry fee shouldn’t be treating the public like that. Hopefully, I’ve got the wrong end of the stick and the situation won’t be as bad as I fear, but I have my worries.
Cheers, Alastari. I’ll assume everyone’s still happy to go ahead. I just thought I should at least warn you that we might not see aircraft that we would be expecting.
Thanks for that, Daz. I’m currently trying to arrange a suitable date for me to go for ‘induction’ so that we won’t have to be escorted around the whole site. I’ve just recently acquired an original Air Ministry Works site plan for East Fortune, so I’ll bring that with me. Even if we can’t see much of the aircraft, we’ll at least be able to identify every hut on site!
There is indeed a photo of Peter Olver (note spelling), 84963, on page 152 of volume 1 of The Greatest Squadron of Them All. Another photo of him appears on page 290 along with brief details of the combat of 25 October 1940. A footnote records that in 1972 P7309 was the subject of a major archaeological dig by the Wealden Archaeological Group. Is this how you came to acquire your chunk?
Oops, I forgot to include his dates of promotion.
Flying Officer from 3 September 1940
Flight Lieutenant from 3 September 1941
Squadron Leader from 1 January 1944
This officer was 36182, Kenwyn Roland Sutton, commissioned as a Pilot Officer in the General Duties Branch of the RAF (rather than RNZAF) on 15 March 1939.
Full details appear in Men of the Battle of Britain and a short summary of his career is as follows (more details in the book itself):
Born in Wellington on 18 May 1919
Enrolled in the Civil Reserve of Pilots in October 1937
sailed for the UK on 1 February 1939
Joined 105 Squadron on 28 March 1939
Posted to Central Gunnery School, Warmwell in September 1939
Posted to 98 Squadron in April 1940
Posted to 142 Squadron in May 1940
Posted to 264 Squadron on 15 August 1940
Posted to 23 Squadron on 1 May 1941
Posted to 287 Squadron on 11 February 1942
Posted to 605 Squadron on 17 July 1942
Attached and later posted to 85 Squadron from January 1943
On 2 April 1942, returning from a daylight operation he was shot down by Canadian AA gunners over Hove. He crashed on a railway line south of Hove Cemetery with severe injuries, which resulted in the loss of his lower left leg and left arm.
Posted to HQ Fighter Command on staff duties on 19 June 1943
Post to Llanbedr as Station Commander in August 1943. Using a special arm attachment he flew Magisters and Oxfords.
Transferred to the RNZAF on 16 March 1944
Posted to Hutton Cranswick as S/L Admin in November 1945
Posted to 61 OTU on 1 July 1946
Sailed for NZ in April 1947 and released from RNZAF on 1 August 1947
Joined National Airways Corporation in 1950
Retired in 1980
So although he never flew operationally after his crash, he did certainly fly non-operational types.
Daz,
Cheers for that, mate. I’m happy to admit I’m wrong, although they still look ‘oversized’ to me, even on the authentic photo!
Is it just me, or are the aircraft identity letters, and fuselage roundels, way oversized? To me they just look so unrealistic.
Originally posted by Hatton
Whats going to happen to all the aircraft in the main hanger i concorde is taking their place, seems pretty stupid that one aircraft should take presidence even if it is concorde.No aircraft will have to sit outside that were once inside , will they?
It’s my understanding that by suffling the aircraft around, and using all four hangars, and removing the non-aviation collections into storage, that it’s been possible to keep all the aircraft under cover (except the Vulcan and Comet, of course). However, the plans seem to change on a daily basis, so I’m not certain exactly what the situation is. This is one of the reasons I’m looking forward to the meet, as a motivation for going and finding out what is happening.
Just to update you guys, the Concorde is due to arrive on site around 11 April, so it should be there by the 24th. Whether or not we’ll be able to get a peek at the bits is another matter, but I’ll certainly see what I can do.
I understand that the rocket collection (which is apparently the best in the UK) has not been moved off-site, so theoretically this should still be viewable.
I should also perhaps mention that Concorde isn’t going to be open to the public until August, and therefore not ready for the airshow in July. I believe that it may be the intention to have the doors open slightly so that a peek can be had, but little more. And to make matters worse, it’s likely to be early next year before the interior of Concorde is ready for tours.
However, ending on a positive note, there should still be plenty to see for the get-together and I look forward to seeing you all there at 10am on the 24th.
There also seem to be a lot of houses in the foreground which have apparently survived, certainly with their roofs intact.
FYI, Serrate was a device which enabled the Mosquito crew to home in on a German night fighter’s airborne radar transmissions. If you need more detailed information, let me know.
I’ve always thought the Blenheim Mk I looked superb. It was such a fast aircraft when first built that it seems incredible that it was obsolescent when the war started only a couple of years later. Even as a night fighter it was too slow to catch the German bombers it was chasing!