George JAbout this 70-0 record…whats M2K record? I dont recall an M2K having ever been shot down…..and at least in A-G role the IAF can vouch for it being a damn good platform.
George Jdo what I did, put the s****d troll on ignore list. let him blabber to himself only.
If you put him on ignore you dont see his post at all? what if someone replies to him do you still see the quoted response that is being replied to? Any part of the discussion that relates to him/her/it is unacceptable.
George JI am sorry when you say Mig-29 do you mean “frigates” did your change the meaning of another word again? Coz I dont remember arguing with you about Naval stuff. I am not up on the latest village idiot dictionary. The follow on to the Talwar class is going to be quite different and very much beyond the scope of this forum, but we will just have to wait for order to be placed (once again unless CNS told the oracle something specfically I donno that the Talwar followon order had even been placed).
i just laugh at ur logic…….since u have been debunked on MKI price, engine thrust, weopons, ownership of R&D for Bars. i dont think any crediblity is left in ur opinion.
Debunked by whom you? Oh with you I can never win…coz just when someone refutes your jibberish with facts you decide to change the meaning of the word …after all you are the oracle. Did you forget WHY you were banned?
I am sure you found some great # that you believe are true…as usual and like us to believe them to be true too…so thats why you are fully convinced that its gonna be the Mig-29M….and its gonna be $4.5.
I dont recall ever being in an argument with you about MKI price….it is what it is, engine thrust…is again what it is…unless your brand of maths thinks otherwise. I am sure you smoke Afghans finest in your school…but I dont get any of your hallucinations about R&D of bars??? If you cant argue your point…admit it..dont go off on a tangent.
If you can, please stick to justifying your delusions about India buying the Mig-29K and further buying it at $4.5. Please dont pull straws out of your head in justifying the cost of an a/c that IAF has not even committed to buying using talwar examples and R&D of Bar (err whats that about?).
Its kinda ironic that I cant address you in terms that you really deserve to be addressed in…for fear that my post will get deleted by the admins…yet the admins seem to be quite impotent in dealing with a pest like you.
George Jwhere i claimed that India has signed the deal?. It is just offer price.surely i understand but exchange rate is not the only thing that matters. ever heard of there 20% wage growth and skyrocketing metal prices and no hedging against this by RSK MIG. ………..the 3 ships that India bought recently if it signs again for the same the price will double. this thing is alot more expensive than MKI deal of the past……….India has not decided to buy MIG at this point rather Russia has decided to sell them. and they think it is better to sell license rather than building new fighters. i will not show where i read that 😉
LOL you dont tell me what I need to know and then you wont tell me what I didnt ask you for!!! Now thats logic from the great city of lahore….
MiG Promises to Assemble Fighters in India if It Becomes Her Supplier
The MiG corporation is organizing production of MiG-29M/M2 fighters in India if Delhi names the Russian Airplane Building Corporation the winner of the competition for the delivery to the Indian air force of 126 fighters, the MiG general director, Aleksey Fedorov, has said…………..”If we are victorious in this tender, then we will be included in the scale of production organization at HAL facilities,” Fedorov said…………….Source: 03.02.05, Reuters
But I dont see $4.5B anywhere!!!! I dont think the russian will tell the Indian that our wage rate has risen so you have to pay us more…if they agree on the dollar value of the contract then the onus is on the supplier to deliver the product as per specs…even if there is 1000% inflation. But you wont know this stuff….I am sure you even get your green paint from China.
Admins:
Exactly what did you expect the Oracle to have learnt in its sabbatical? I would be delighted if you could show me the said improvement in it behaviour on the board.
George JFunny thing about the HAL Phase IV MKI value at Rs. 198 cr is that only Huma Siddiqui of Fin. Express seems to have that #, there are other reports around 11/29/2004 that mention 114 a/c etc but only Huma has the Rs. 198 Cr #.
Is there some more official source to this # ?
George JOracle ji:
I dont wish to debate you…its sad just sad that the admins have let you back on since you dont seem to have learned anything from your sabbatical.
What is this $4.5B #? When did India sign a deal for the Mig-29M? It would be nice to see some respectable source.
Finally (as is always typical of you) you dont seem to understand english…I dont I mentioned the word “inflation”, I am talking about fluctuation in the exchange rates.
Please dont bother replying unless you have something that specfically states that India is buying Mig-29M for $4.5B.
George Jeven MIG-29m will cost close to $45m……….
Oracle ji if you basing these calculations on some special branch of mathematics (which I cant mention but everyone knows) then so be it. But if you are pulling these # based on the Mig-29K deal then you would be patently wrong (again).
Under a Rs 3,256 crore ($740 million) deal signed in January, 2004, the Navy is to acquire 12 MiG-29K single-seater combat aircraft and four two-seater MiG-29KUB operational trainers. The deal also includes airborne armaments, maintenance, personnel training, plus the supply of simulators, spare parts and servicing.
The MKI cost as much as $33-35m (it will fluctuate depending on which exchange rate you wish to apply to an INR transaction), the HAL MKI are supposed be close to $30m….so how do you get an -29M costing $45m? No no please dont answer you will blind me with your logic and math…which we know is truly out of this world…..
George JOh come on admins!!!! You deleted my entire reply to the Oracle??? Be fair to me gentleman…you know he is pulling # out of his wahzoo or is using that special branch of maths, you should ve at least kept my facts rather than delete the entire post.
Jeeeze……you guys really love to have your village idiot dont you….ban him and then let him back..and just picks up where he started.
Did you folks realize how civil the rest of AFM was when the oracle was banned…how when you take the village idiot out of the equation, most AFM discussions suddenly stirr intellectual discussions?
George JMKI Mk.3 has an MC and two RC. The CAC an evolution of the MC. Read the csir link thats posted by Harry to learn more about the CAC components and architecture. I would hope that MKI Mk.4/5 etc will be upgraded to the CAC.
All the LCA detractors cant seem to digest the fact that CAC wouldnt have come about without the LCA program. By the time LCA is ready for weapons integration it would be be flying validated avionics.
George J…….They are the new Jags. This should complete the order for 17 new Jag-IB-DARIN-II. (Although a few months ago, some were still in yellow primer at HAL)…..
Is there a CAC in Darin-II?
George J……….. The diverterless supersonic intake is not an American “design” like the AIDS drugs that US companies spent billions researching and creating (and which India was able to steal and sell to the third world at cheap prices because they never paid for the research. The moral question not being relevant to this discussion – simply that those drugs were created by Americans and then copied by Indians.)
The problem with a madrassa education like yours is that you dont understand the process of scientific development. I furiously typed up 500 odds words that succintly tell you how drugs are developed and why none of the information was out of the public domain (it is now if data exclusivity clause: TRIPS 39.3 has been adopted, I am not clear on that will be researching that for my own work). I dont think you either read what I wrote or understood the process.
Only a moron or a madrassa mathematics type would not understand what I typed up (and there are plenty of that on AFM).
I find it irnoic that you are using 2001 article quoting Alan Homer about Indian Drugs. Thats like quoting Mao about democracy and freemarkets. Or Musharraf about about anti-insurgency.
I knew pretty well that you are not going respond to fact and will clutch to straws to defend your bile…if you had persisted I would have loved to show you circa 2004 editorials in NYT which deeply criticised India for adopting the TRIP guidelines fearing that it would stop the supply of ARV to Africa.
I understand that you are not taught enough in your system comprehend what law, legality or international law really mean and how it applied. You confused patents with copyrights. If an Indian co. was stamping out zillion copies of latest Hollywood movies and selling them in India…or Africa (like them Chinese do) then THAT would be illegal. But to make a drug whose structure is published in peer reviewed literature…whose PKDM has been filed with the regulatory bodies is still perfectly legal (for all filings prior to 1995).
Finally I know while most folks (heck not just AFM…but in general) dont know much about drug research. It really gets the goat of people like me who do stuff like this for a living when people think that a drug is MADE ONLY IN ONE COUNTRY. Thats not possible in the modern world.
Lipitor was developed by ParkDavis which was acquired by Warner Lambert which was acquired by Pfizer. And it was NOT discovered in Park Davis USA…but rather in Japan. I know you might find this bursting your bubble of India copying drugs…but then again …an Indian company out licensed its drug “Balaglitazone” to NovoNordisk (failed in Phase II), GRC-3886-anti-asthmatic from Glenmark in Phase II in Forest Labs. There are many proetin formulations (biotech drugs) that are being outlicensed too by indian companies (Biocon-CIIMB Cuba, MAb product for cancer).
So please dont get carried away in your nationalistic zeal to defend your countries lack of expertise (indian companaies are setting up rx formulation plants in China.
http://www.china-invest.com/pharma/news.htm
I cant believe that this is the first GMP facility in a Gauandong and you need an Indian company (which steals US drugs) to help you establish one. Incidentally Ranbaxy owns 78.7% equity in this JV…so we know who is the boss.
Are you done with your nonsense?
George JUmm I donno how it work in engine development (since this who issue came up in the WS-10 thread)…but usually when a molecule is patented is chemical structure is published in a peer reviewed journal. Once the structure is known then ANYONE who is adequately trained can manufacture the molecule at the lab, pilot or large scale. I donno how much chemistry you learn in your madrassa but most of the process you ve learn in your basic organic chemistry are used in some souped up form to make these drugs. You will also FIND the chemical assay, purity, physical chemical characteristics of the molecule. Now which journal do you suggest I see that will give me the metellurgy, detailed engineering drawings, schematics for the GE-404 or AL-31FP?
Fast forward 10 odd years and you will heard of some drug company FILING for a NDA or New Drug Application. When they do such filings they usually submit the pharmakokinetic information of the drug: absorbption, distribution and metabolism information. This is PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE…if you have any semblence of a non madrassa eduction you can find this info after the drug has been approved…like Sildenafil/Tadalafil/Verdenafil is. Which agency in the US or Russia has the exact engine performace criteria (assuming the engineering drawing etc are public knowledged) for public consumption????
Till Jan 1 1995, India had a process patenting…which means that any molecule thats was found effective could be made in India by ANY MFG provided it met the same pharmakokinetic properties of the drug approved in another market. This is what enabled India to make drugs both in the bulk form and in the formulation form.
Now it will be totally BEYOND the realm of this forum ( and certainly of this thread) to argue the impact Indian Anti-Retroviral had in maximizing the availablity of drugs to the African, South American markets where the monopolist drug companies did NOT reduce their drug prices TILL the Indian drugs were introduced (note in NONE of these markets did the India drug stop being sold…for gods sake these are WHO approved meds not something made by your neighbourhood madrassa or chinese butcher/pharmacy*)
So your wonderful PBS source does NOT tell use WHICH markets these drugs have stopped selling in. It does NOT tell us WHICH law the Indian companies have broken? It does not tell you that India is one of the largest supplier of generic medications to the US market, why would they let the big bad stealing Indian companies into their own home turf. You ve heard about US-China cracking down on illegal DVD sales/production in China…what about drugs from India? Coz they are NOT illegal…they have not broken any law..they service EVERY market they are in absolutely legally.
Finally you are quoting Alan Homer?????? From your own source:
Alan Holmer is CEO of Pharma, a Washington-based industry trade group.
I donno which madrassa you live in …but you have no idea what PhRMA is. Its a washington lobbing outfit with more than 1000 lobbyist thats 2 for every US house of rep. member. If they had their way everyone on this planet will be buying drugs from them at $ 1.20 a pill …any pill.
If you had bothered to study this issue dispassionately you would have thousands of AIDS cure groups who will vouch for the impact of India ARV.
Finally, at some level I might be inclined to agree with you that if all the technical info was available to India about how to make a turbofan engine then it might just do that. But I guess neither India nor China have that info…but only India is getting a deep license to make an engine…while lun lun or kunlun or whatever China seems to be making is floundering. They have been flying the AL-31F for more than a decade now…they should have had enough experience to get ‘inspired’ by it…
George J…………. India has no qualms about copying things that it can copy and is the world’s largest violator of pharmaceutical copyright………
World’s largest VIOLATOR???? Now we get to be school about international patent laws and formulation development from the same folks that brought us “TWU BVR”.
Drugs are not copyrighted they are patented. Which country’s patent did India violate? Which country does India sell drugs to by violating this patent? How does India sell generics in the US market if it “violates” patents???????
I think you should stick to discussing linlin and lun lun and ding dongs with the rest of your madrassa educated bretheren….please dont expound on your theories about India violating pharmaceutical patents (or as you say copyrights) without understanding what it means.
George J……………a great proof of MiG-29’s inability to counter big fighters like Su-27 and F-15…….
That may hold true in the Ethiopia-Eritria context but not for other countries that operate Mig-29’s and Su-30K in conjunction…………especially when you speak to someone who is type certified in both the abovementioned a/c. So the answer is: it depends…………
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George JI am confused too..since the LWT is under mfg with BDL…and BDL wont touch it if it werent cleared by IN for series MFG.
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