There’s a lot of difference b/n MK and MKI almost ++ gen.
Mkk is ver much inferior to MKI and even the 30Mk-1 is way ahead of 30Mk(K-1) except Total take of weight.

There is no such thing as the Mk-1 its the Su-30 MKI Mk.1 (Mark 1) everything that was delievered after Sep 2002 are all MKI and belonged to the No.20 and later the No.30 sqds. There are three different version of the MKI Mk.1/2/3 and 3 HAL (HAL made MKI Mk.3). MKI Mk.3 is the final version of the contracted 1996 MKI. Also if you are referring to the MTOW of the MKI the jury is still out on it, there have been to many semantic differeences between Maximum TO and Limit TO.

Hence my original question to you…what is the MK you were talking about? The a/c that IAF calls Su-30K (i.e those of the No.24 sqd) or what IAPO calls MK (MKI/MKM family) ?

I am sorry this does not clear much up. This only cements the fact that the first AAM cleared for overwing ops was the magic and that sidewinders were used by the RAF in 1991 (Gulf War) around the time that there were DDM reports of HAL “giving permisison to use the mods”.

It would be nice to know who first flew the overwing pylon and WHEN? ASTE completed DARIN in 84-85, did ASTE comlete overwing Magic too with that? If thats the case did the RAF fly Magic (remember no Sidewinders then) before that? Simple dates would be nice rather than off the cuff remarks with no dates to boot. Also BAe was the “Design Authority” even for DARIN and if you go by the hydraulic system story…aint no way them Raj boys gonna give us credit of anything.
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…………..R-555-II was a typo, should read R-550-II . Wow you even catch people’s typo, good job!

The trouble is …its not clear whats a typo and whats considered edumacation. After all you have dazzled us with your brilliant mathematics….

Post # 225 from the IAF news and discussion thread So, 200 Jags for $2.2 billion. But IAF never bought 200, therefore, each Jag costing close to $22 million a piece which I think is very steep considering the year 1978………

After such scintillating mathemagic its quite possible that you truly know of a R-555 II….. 😀

Also to add more masala to the Overwing Pylon story….I do recall reading in the Indian media that during the first GulfWar that HAL had “given permission/provided details” of this mod to the brits for extensive use of this mod for their gulf bound jags.
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Eeeh the 60 odd Mig-29 I am referring to are the IAF planes. I ventured an opinion when someone mentioned ‘upgrading’ the IAF -29S to MRCA. When did I ever say that there was a MRCA line? You logic seems to be from the city of ***** like some of the folks you quote in your sig. 🙂

Camry,
I dont think you quite comprehend what I am alluding to. To put this in auto speak would you put on a big block cheavy engine into a 1992 Camero that been driven hard for well over 50K miles with original engine mounts, breaks, exhaust, suspension and tranny? Nope you will have to start swapping out parts….to handle the upgrades. An automobile has power transferred across the driveshaft and towards the wheels and the components that are heaviest also generate the power. Now imagine that you wanna put in a 500 lbs radar detector and one of them mosfet amps and JL bazookas. That means you now need to upgrade your electricals and battery and have stiffer suspension just to handle the new radar detector. But then you also wanna go 1000 miles on one tank of gas. That means you need much larger tanks and you need to make space for the tanks without changing anything in the cabin. Which mean you will start finding space in the fender and other panelling: which means you need to start strengthening them…if not replacing them with newer…less rusted panels. An a/c fuel pretty much hangs off its wings which means you need to start thinking about strengthening the chassis (airframe). And then you gotta start thinking fuel mgmt, tires, boost controllers (if you turbo etc) just to make a car go faster and further. An a/c does not only have to go further but carry much more and do much more in terms of electronics.

Nothing in the IN Mig-29 will be a direct bolt on onto the IAF fleet. More complex avionics, ergonomics, more fuel, more payload these require major structural changes. Its not about money or ability its about feasablity: which I believe I had explicitly stated in my post. It can be done with a brand new airframe but with one with lots of ‘miles’ on it….I highly doubt it.

There is a video of the Brahmos….its from the AI03 and its on the AI03 VCD. I think Shiv from BR has an AVI of just the Brahmos video. Its a promo video with lots of video graphics….but its the graphics of the traget that gets really interesting.

Umm you guys should make up your mind. Everything was hunky dory till someone decides to show us his comprehension of english and the stock market. He/she/it takes the occassion to illustrate how they can pay for the F-16 by showing how the KSE with its 600 odds companies has shown a whopping 440% increase in index (again without really expounding how that correlates to cold hard cash)

Then the oracle of twu BVR (which now has been amended to include a VISA before launching said BVR) decides that this is not about economics when someone else thought that red line and blue line showed that east of indus has the money to pay for F-16’s. The plot thickens.

When people actually ask you to explain your reasoning (which in most parts of the world is considered reasonable) you are asked not to ‘flame’ the thread????

Finally while I do agree totally that Pakistan PAID for the F-16 embargoed by the Pressler Amendment, I have yet to find evidence that it paid for them from monies OTHER THAN what it recieved in the form of Military Aid from the US. It would be very interesting, learn more about the NON US AID source of miltary spending that Pakistan has (please note the only reason why Pakistan HAD TO BUY the F-16 was coz the monies to buy anything was provided by the US Aid).

PLA:
I think you should stick to your unfounded jingoism and not stray into areas you arent too familear with like…numbers. What exactly are you trying to prove by posting the BSE-Sensex and KSE Index? The only thing it shows that since Jan00 the KSE has gone about 440% and Sensex has gone up by 50%. But on what volumes of shares? What is the total transacted values?

And you are further assuming that value gained by the KSE traded cos. can be translated into liquidity to finance a state sponsered project like the F-16??? Unless you have some wacky tax east of Indus which states that every % increase in value of the share should directly pay into your ‘finance our F-16 fund’ showing red line and blue lines mean diddly squat.

Like i said stick to unfounded jingoism and you will do just fine. Now what was it that you were saying about quantiative and qualitative advantages……….