Dionis:
The Oracle has spoken. He does not need to back up anything he says with facts. If he says something is the way it is…its is obviously OBVIOUS. He says the MKI has AL-31F then it has to have that, he says something does not have ‘Twu BVR’ then it is so.

Most on AFM let the oracle be.
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Blueshark:
Unless the prevaling thought is that the Su-35 dropped down like manna from heaven, it behooves you to read the the EXCELLENT development history provided by Andrei Fomin in his book “Su-27: Flanker Story”.

Super-Briefly:
Su-27M (stopped) > T10M-1 proto > T10M-3 (first designated Su-35) 12 proto/deve + 3 (?) production

Su-27UB (continues) > T-10U > T10U-5/6 > Su-30I-6 > Su-30MKI 22 production (2 revisions) and counting.

Also in 8 years India does not have 30 MKI. It only has 22 (and counting) and the 18 Su-30K. The first HAL MKI (SKD) will be rolling of the line by the end of this year. Also the reason that the induction rate is low is coz MKI is a ‘program’ not a plane. What that means is beyond the scope of this forum, but its sufficient to say that the Su-30K were/are still very much part of the ‘grand scheme of things’, without them there would be no MKI.

The rest of the stuff like weaker engines, lousy FCS and heavier radar is all trolling. I think I will wait a long time for that fuzzy feeling of seeing N011M on the Su-35 series and for TVC minus canarded flankers to provide the same lift and agility. I think we will be seeing barndoors before we see it on flankers. 😀
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Arthur:
T10M-3 the 3rd of the 12 has been listed as ‘the first series produced Su-35’. Fomin distinguishes ‘series’ from ‘prototypes’ like the T10M-1/2(Bort 701/702) which were designated as modified Su-27M. The Su-35 designation started with the 703. So I still dont get your reference to constuction # (source??) and how NON-sequential a/c can hae sequential construction #.

Crobato:
I thought your discussion was about the expense of adding canards to the robust Su-27/30 airframe and how adding the TVC with better avionics would do the trick. Now you state that its a feeling better suited for a totally different airframe? Well thats not exactly what you had inititally implied. On a radically different airframe with engines like the F119 EACH putting out 35,000 lb of thrust it does make for a fuzzy feeling but that does not translate well to 25,000 lb engine on a circa 86 airframe.
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I am glad that its only your ‘feeling’ coz I dont think many others would share the same feeling of having TVC but no triplane (canards). The last i heard TVC was moot as long as you had triplane and sophesticated FBW on the Bort 711 but that perished and so did that theory. I am not really up on the Su-35UB development know if your feelings have been put to test.

Anyway I am a bit confused about the ‘series produced’ Su-35. In 1996 KnAAPO shipped three production std a/c (86,87 and 88) to Valery Chkalov Flight Testing Center in Akhtubinsk. But by 1995 KnAAOPO had produced 12 Su-35: tails 701 to 712. Off these 708,709 and 710 had been build in 93-94 and “served as yardstick for the series production.” So are we to understand that 86, 87 and 88 were built BEYOND the 12 ??? in one year? 1996 or are they the same yardstick a/c. Thats why I had earlier stated that there are only 11 Su-35 left.
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Su-35 are 11 (the Su-35 to SU-37 upgrade crashed) prototypes. So they are far from production standard but make for excellent marketting gizmos.

For reasons unknown or best left unstate it will be highly unlikely, expensive, unsafe, impractical and unreliable to upgrade any -27UB or -30K to the IAF MKI std. I am sure we all would like to why not but like I have oft repeated MKI is a ‘program’ not a single a/c. The avionics is only 1/7 of the story (ok fine maybe 2/7th) 🙂
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Errr you are assuming that Indian ‘Tacticians’ are unfamiliear with IDF. Maybe they arent or…..
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Fiscal Year in India starts on 1st April not in June.

The article this thread is based on say that :

… strong force of manned airborne platforms for nuclear strike missions are needed for flexibility of our nuclear doctrine. Although from an idealistic point of view, “no first use” seems to be the desirable option, ground realities especially in dealing with a rouge and bullish nuclear adversary may force us to change our stand. The option of a “pre-emptive strike” should be kept open with adequate sensors and intelligence machinery deployed to intercept an enemy’s attempt to launch a “first strike”.

IMO if you have a professed NFU and MAD you dont need a Manned Platform. NFU implies second use thats ensures MAD and why would you wanna recall a platform? It throws the MAD mantra out of the window.

IAF is not gonna buy more Mirages for nuke strike with Agni-I and II being deployed, they need the Mirage for a different reason.
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This is what happens when BRF is down. 😀

So have we proved that the LCA totally sux or is there more?