It would be interesting to know more about the men who flew these planes. After all its always been argued that its the ‘man behind the machine’ that really counts.

What was the pilot mix in the two planes? Did the IAF field Wing. Co’s and Flt. Lt? Or was it top heavy?

Err whats the rank/experience comparison between the two AF?
Capt USAF=Flt. Lt IAF?
? USAF= Sqd. Ldr. IAF?
Col USAF=Wing. Co. IAF?
Maj USAF= Air Comm. IAF?

Who was the seniormost USAF F-15 driver? I am assuming that the CO of No.24 flew in these exercises…he is certainly pictured.
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I was under the assumption that first few MKIs rolling out from HAL will b assembled from russian supplied kits, whereas indianisation would become later. Unless im mistaken, HAL has not rolled out a single assembled MKI as yet and u r already talking of full absorption of these complex technologies??? :confused: .

I donno how its done in other parts of the world but when it comes to tech absorbtion in India, they ususally start with the SKD, move to the CKD and then set up assembly with major components sources from the OEM and increase the level of indigenization over time. WRT MKI the SKD phase one is over (i.e SKD assembled at IAF Base Lohegaon into MKI using russians techs), given that the latest batch of SKD’s went to HAL Ojhar (Nashik) which is where the eventual MKI plant will be set up, this is the start of SKD phase 2 and all CKD will directly go there for assembly. Meanwhile Ojhar will will tooled up and validated for indigenous mfg and assembly. By 2014 all MKI given their ‘deep licence’ agreement will be nearly indigenous (barring those parts that are not cost effecitive at a 140 unit scale)

To be fair to the PAF and IAF we shouldnt be talking about ‘khayali pulao’ like the Gripen/Eyerie and the 125 M2K untill someone actually signs on the dotted line. Till then its all humbug…reliable sources and all.
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So anyone know which aircaft the IAF pilots now like best.. the M2K or the MKI?

I dont think I have come across a pilot who has had the fortune of flying and evaluating the two a/c. There are a lot mig-29 drivers but not sure about M2k.

But I would say that since the MKI (and the K) are the only ones where you got to pee in a bag or in your pants or hold it in for 10 hours its not a fancy job. Like i said its a whole new ball game with the MKI.

Total internal reflection. Its not a mirror per se its a glass that allows the image to reflect and yet allows one to see through. Thats what allows the view to either focus on the image being projected or ‘look through’ to whats ahead of them.
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If Tejas is sold with the Kaveri engine, Vietnamese acceptance would be easier. I don’t think Vietnam would accept Tejas with GE F404 engine, as it may make it vulnerable to a US embargo. ………. Even if relations with China turned sour again (quite unlikely at this point with a superhighway being built between Vietnam and Guandong), ………

The LCA does not need the Kaveri to fly but the IAF needs the Kaveri to make the LCA viable. I dont think even the IAF would accept the Tejas with ‘store bought’ GE-404’s. Everyone in the design, mfg and user establishment knows that. LCA will have the Kaveri…eventually.

Also I dont think the Vietnamese are going to sour their relation with the US anytime soon. If they wanna be ‘one of the fastest growing economies’ in the area they have to do business with the US…just like China.

Since this thread is highly speculative, its very difficult to speculate how things will turn out. If the kaveri does well then thats great. If the AL-31FP does well then perhaps a scaled down AL can be developed in liu of the Kaveri, if the Americans are generous then there might be a TOT on the GE-404. Hence its too early to speculate. The RD-93 on the FC-1 is another story I am keenly watching.
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Well I am pretty sure once the Vietnames get a taste of MKV they wouldnt wanna buy anything less than an LCA 😀 . But I am being a bit jingo about it.

I can see them using FC-1 too…..for target practice. :rolleyes:

And coz the LCA can also be customize I m pretty sure that a Tejas-V (we have to stop calling it LCA by then) can also be arrange to compliment the MKV.

Which airforce wouldnt like to streamline logistics and maintainance?

You never know…..I tell you we live in interesting times.
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can you ask him the question about the MKK/MKI fuel load discrepancy?

I would second that but I think there is a lot about the MKK/MKI that is classified and thats the way it should stay.The least that Fomin can do is explicitly state what’s classified rather than attempt to provide info.

Also since his book is ‘well liked’ by a lot of folks, he should try and get user inputs on their experience with their Su-27/30 variants. Knowing the PLAAF that would be a blackhole (which i guess bodes well for the sematic warriors on this forum and others) but the IAF might give him some inputs if he asks them nicely.

More info on avionics would be nice. New stuff on the AL-31FP would be nice…

Basically as much as he can put in post 2000.
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Ken:
Thanks for the info about Fomin. I hope he comes out with another edition of the book. As long as Sukhoi sells Su-27 derivatives this book will always have readers and buyers as long as they maintain accuracy. I wouldnt be too surprised if a bulk of these buyer are users themselves. 😉

One of the problems that Fomin will face will be how much is ‘too much’ info about the MKK and MKI programs. Both dont seem to want reveal much. In fact one of the important factoid that we have debated to death on this forum and others is rumoured to be wrong by a ‘couple of tons’ about one of the aircrafts. But since its not ‘open source’ it cant be used for any discussion. Sort of frustrating but then again while this is merely a hobby for most of us…others live and die by it.

So i guess there is only so much that Fomin can even talk about.
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