George JI just realized how much I miss arguing with the Oracles of AFM. I guess I was wrong about Oracles being only on the Mil Aviation Side. You have them all over AFM. When they start flustering
Equipment doesn’t make good photographs. Good photographers do. Your choice of a good 50mm or 85mm prime for portraits is absolutely fine, but the way you automatically implied an aviation photographer would use a 100-400L IS and get less than good results made me chuckle. It’s a lens on a camera. Lenses behave in different ways, and a creative photographer will find the qualities unique to the 100-400L that are not found with a 50mm or 85mm and use them.
And then he/she/it goes on to say
As for lenses, the choices are pretty much endless and greatly dependant on your budget and style of photography. Again, as George J rightly says, the 100-400L IS is a fine lens for aviation, but it doesn’t suit my needs personally as I don’t find 100mm wide enough for the majority of places I shoot. If it fits your budget and your shooting style, you’re very unlikely to be disappointed with its performance. It really is a great lens. I use the Sigma 50-500DG for aviation and that’s another superb lens. I’d say for general aviation shooting at airports like LHR you’re unlikely to really need more than 300mm on a 1.6 FoV camera, but the extra reach certainly comes in handy at airshows!…the Canon (assuming that is you go with a Canon DSLR) EF 75-300 II USM is cheap and will allow you to take fine images
Umm talk about contradicting yourself. Just coz you have have a lens that reaches 50mm and THATS why its wide enough for your taste while the 100-400mm starts at 100 and has 3Gen IS (only the 80-400 has OS from Sigma IIRC). I know you don’t like #, but #=facts. Bigma is what it is due to its focal lengths (and its also heavy (4 lbs vs 3 lbs) and is recommended for use with a monopod, unless you are Popeye). I donno how they do air shows in your part of the world but around here things happen in all three dimensions, so stabilizing in the vertical plane may work for sports or static birds but not for airshows.
Talking about # I think you should invest a little more time in researching your posts there is no such lens as a 75-300 II USM. Its a 75-300 III or a 75-300 III USM both of which have been mentioned in my post to the OP as the $170-550 lens.
I think you should desist from giving advice and start liking these # that you speak of. Creativity is innate you may have it (some of your flicker picks show that you seem to have them, but not all of them) but facts…well they can be learned. Learn to like # too, photography is as much a science as its an art. Without these # you are pretty much an fool who gets lucky sometimes.
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George J…….. I just don’t quite understand the logic in you implying the average aviation photographer is a complete idiot when it comes to portraits or shooting anything else that doesn’t fly! I’ve met many photographers who shoot aviation exclusively and have a far better technical and creative understanding than many, to be quite frank, anal fools I see on forums who talk numbers and believe only certain gear makes a good photo. (That is in no way intended to imply that’s what you are, by the way. Just to make that clear!)
Umm I don’t think I implied/insinuated that the avg. aviation photographer is a complete idiot when it comes to family pics. He/she is JUST THAT…A_V_E_R_A_G_E. I would’nt have come around to “confuse you” if this weren’t a aviation photography forum and this was the tutorial subforum. We deal with specifics here and perhaps thats not a point that your “logic” can easily grasp.
My pics are posted on POTN too but thats coz they have a transportation subforum. I really dont think I would post my portraits here or even ask your “average” aviation photographer about tips for taking portraits. Not that they cant give sound advice but I think I can get better/insightful advice from folks who do more of that and less of aviation. I donno about you but that sounds rational to me. Or should I say logical?
Again, I am not here to make every illogical person see the logic. If you get off your passive aggressive high horse and have anything substantial to say about what the OP has asked about be my guest. If I hurt your fragile ego by calling a spade a spade then I am really sorry you had to read it. It wasn’t intended for you …to try and comprehend.
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George JHere is the 100% crop of the the image from above:
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/149/img6004cxx6.jpg
Here is a 100% crop of a static a/c:
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9672/img5922ckz0.jpg
I didn’t take pics of the static display, didn’t have time/too exhausted after taking pics of the aerial displays (I can image how AI feels like).
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George JPerfecty sound advice, but why the assumption people who shoot aviation know nothing about shooting anything else? :confused:
A-ha family pics means posing and light (not to mention indoor outdoor, controlling the background and the difference in equipment: I don’t think 100-400L is the right lens to take a pic of your kid, a good prime 50 or 85 would be more like it). Besides you don’t get to pose your a/c or direct the light. From my limited serious amateur POV its a whole different ballgame.
Now if there are great portrait photographers who also happen to be great aviation photographers then my apologies. But there are other more accomplished resources where you can learn from the experience and insight of others who are more attuned to this.
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George JI use a 70-200 f/2.8IS and it has 2 modes of IS (stationary and panning) and I can say that you really do need the panning IS for really getting good pics (along with 5fps + fast CF card).
The 70-300mm has the 3gen IS but I donno if it has the panning IS, if it does its worth it.
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George JIf you use Canon, like Canon then don’t bother with Nikon. This is purely appealing to your brand preference and history Nikon is equally good and there is no point getting into the virtues of one over the other coz there is none.
Next, what Canon to get. The current line up include 400D/xti (10mp APS-C), 30D (8.2mp APC-C), 5D (12mp Full Frame), 1D (well….lets not go there yet). You cant go wrong with 30D or 400D. Sure the 400D has more MP but that also means it has smaller pixels (does that affect image quality? well it depends). Its also a tiny camera and if you have big hand you need a battery grip to balance it out. The 30D fits fine and get bulky (for tiny hands) with a Battery grip.
So which one to buy? Well that depends on what OTHER stuff you need to get. I believe your FD lens will not work without an adapter on an EOS 400D/30D body and it may not be worth it. This means you gotta buy new EF or EF-S lens and those start adding up pretty quickly. And its the LENS that really matter with the pics more than the 400D/30D body. You want to spend as much as you can on getting a good set up: decent body with the best set of lens you can afford.
Did you say airshows? Well if you like airshows (aerial displays) then the top of the line “std air show lens” is the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM this can be had for about $1400 USD (and some obscene amount in GBP). Now is that your budget? Is so get it you wont regret it. If you thats not your budget then you are going to start cheap and cheap does not mean AFM front cover quality pics. You could get a consumer grade 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 with or without IS from Canon or Sigma and see if you can live with that for about $170 to $510 (IS version with hood).
If you want to do general pic of family etc its a whole different cup of tea and I suggest going to folks who know a LOT MORE about canon stuff then those who like aircrafts.
THis is the place to be:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
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George JI think I have a couple of more but best compositions are a bit too blurred. THis is the best of the rest: 50% crop.
Looks almost like this pic:
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George JNormally I don’t post on the Oracle forum but AFM does have a great air show section. So in case you infidels, mathematicians and oraclites like looking at pics of F-22 rather than expounding on your “twu BVR” or “faulty power system” theories, I would invite you to mosey on there for some dekho.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=69150
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George JJonS:
You are the smart one here who thinks he knows more than the OEM about the flight path of Brahmos. I only know what I read (see/here in this case). If OEM says x is x, I believe them. Its better than hearing outlandish theories being floated around like “at high alt. it can clearly spot targets”. But you are brighter than them OEM you sure can think for yourself as you CLEARLY demonstrated.
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As you can see JonS sure can “think more for himself and about brahmos ” than the OEM states.
I am sorry I tried to point out OEM sources of info, it must hurt to see fact that go against your “ability to OUTTHINK the OEM about their product.”
George JI have no idea and you know a lot more than OEM about the Brahmos???
And thats why you come up with jems like this?
because at the high altitude it can clearly spot were the targets are……
Only thing here is that brahmos does it at higher altitude and longer range……
George JJon:
Please watch the video. It does not go active till it hits the deck at 10 m. It perform mid course corrections by using it LPI mode (or poor electronic power system…whichever floats your biases) and then in the last 10-12 kms the seeker is turned on. So its going active at MUCH closer range and for a much shorter time.
George J1) If the video clearly states that it uses INS for midflight and then JonS make a stupid comment WITHOUT watching the video (from OEM source)
because at the high altitude it can clearly spot were the targets are.
George JHuh? Did you even watch the video? What part about the “sly radar”, “fraction of a second”, “no radar is able to pic up its location” dont you understand (assuming you watched the video: @ 7th min and 30th sec)?
The LPI mode is basically a short burst (fraction of a second) spread spectrum to prevent passive systems from picking it up or giving ECM enough data to jam it.
George JBarak took out a P-20. Its NOT capeable enough to take out a supersonic AShM. I think the Barak-2/LR/NG will have that capacity but that is still 2-3 years away.
Thus far based on what JonS has posted the only missile that has successfully intercept a supersonic (albeit 60’s era converted SAM when they had the MA-31 in their inventory) AShM is the ESSM. And that too only once. Now if the Coyote (looks like a copy of the Kh-31) is intercepted (repeatedly) in the recent past….that would certainly add the claim that supersonic AShM can be routinely intercepted. Till then I see no evidence to believe that the current crop of SuperSonic AShM are pretty much invicible.
I am not sure if the Russian have ever managed any with their RIF.
George JWhy do you kids shy away from a debate…when you find yourselves on a sticky wicket? Supersonic AShM are here to stay, you can take out 60’s era rudimentary SAM that now double up as AShM then more power to you. But if you claim to have Soviet drones (which stand in for cutting edge threats) its kinda stupid that you dont test against it and dont want to debate the possible reasons for not testing.
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