That’s quite an unusual picture of a Shack, a Phase III just before the Viper fit. Most people seem to think that the Viper was a Phase III mod. (Well, i suppose it was eventually, it was rolled into the Phase III for the later aircraft.)
Cranfield Lightning converted by a gent called Rod Barker. He modified a control panel from the starter system used on the Comet, if memory serves.
As a trustee of GAM I can put some factual information into this discussion. First, GAM were offered the Herald and turned it down for the following reasons.
1. It does not fit in with our collection, we have a collection of post war military aircraft and the Herald would be seriously out of place.
2. When were given planning permission we had very stringent conditions attached to the approval. This was legalized by the Council producing and us signing a Section 106 agreement. We are restricted on the number of exhibits allowed outside. Taking the Herald would breach this agreement.
GAL will not breach the security fence that separates the airport from GAM. Although a big crane could almost certainly swing it over. That assumes that the airframe is in a good enough condition. We surveyed it a couple of years ago and our engineers had serious doubts about the integrity of the airframe.
All of the above does not mean that we aren’t sympathetic to efforts to save the aircraft. It is possible that we could assist any group who are committed to saving her, contact us and we can discuss any assistance we can render.
P Mills
GAM
Definitely NOT Nimrod MR1, that had ASV21D fitted and that is not an ASV21D scanner, don’t know what it is.
With the weather looking OK and the aircraft serviceable this looks like a definite for this Saturday!
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At Gatwick Aviation Museum we have two ex aircrew who man our Shackleton when we are open, one Pilot (ex OC ASWDU) and one Navigator. I’ll point this thread in their direction, I’m also ex Shack ground crew (Radar).
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Rich,
thanks for taking the time to shed some light on the situation at Coventry.
I am somewhat amused that Merlin85 is so insistent on clarity and being open but uses a pseudonym as his user name. Perhaps the simple question of “who are you?” will provide an answer.
As a trustee of a registered aviation museum, as well as a volunteer, I understand the issues that can be created with different requirements pulling on the management of the trust.
I am sure that I do not need to say this, but I will anyway; we at Gatwick Aviation Museum fully support your efforts and will help out wherever we can. It’s just a shame we are so far apart.
Good luck with your efforts. We will be going through some of our spares stock soon and know we have some Mk2 stuff, let you know and you’re welcome to what we find.
Peter Mills
GAM
Nice pictures! Shows the airframes just the way we tried to present them.
As to runners, well, the Lightning is close to being started. There are a few minor jobs to complete and the schedule for test runs will be decided shortly. We had a visitor related set back yesterday, but hopefully it can corrected without too much delay. Once we are confident that all is well will announce public run days, the ONLY F53 runner. The intention is for the Shack to be brought to run state this year. The Bucc is runnable now, with some minor servicing. Currently the Bucc is outside but will soon be prepared to go in next to the Lightning. The plan is to remove the wings and transfer them to the workshop for a full refurbishment. In the meantime with the Fuse inside that will also undergo a major refurbishment. It’s anticipated that this will take two to three years. We will probably give the old girl a last run before the major work takes place.
The long term objective, as defined by our chief engineer is to get “everything running”. An ambitious target but always good to have a plan!
The next airframe to be moved to a run state will be the Hunter T7. Once the Lightning is running and hopefully just needs normal regular maintenance the focus will move to the T7. We have a low houred Avon 122 to go in and it’s probably not many weeks work before we can get it going. The Vixen will also be returned to ground running, probably not for a year or two and finally the Venom plan also calls for this to also be made runnable, again not a mega task. We do have two low or zero time Derwents for the Meteor so that is a potential runner, lot of work before that comes to pass. Anyone have a Pegasus 103? Harrier is feeling left out of al this activity….
That just about sums up the runners and potential runners and a rough timescale. Any public engine runs will be announced on both our web site and via our Facebook pages. Lightning, maybe late June early July depending on serviceability.
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Yesterday (8th Jan) it was the turn of two more aircraft to be moved into the new building. This time Harrier GR3 XV751 and Lightning F53 ZF579 were pulled out of the nasty weather and given a berth inside.
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Sadly the Shackleton will not fit, but this is just the start! As mentioned above, the building is constructed in three heights, we were given a maximum volume that the council would accept and it was that figure that we had to work around. As you may imagine we calculated the clearances as close as possible to maximise the available volume. The low end fit in the Sea Hawk, Meteor, Venom and the Vixen. The next section is slightly higher to fit in the fins of the Hunter and the T7 and finally the highest section fit the tails of the Buccaneer and the Lightning. It’s likely that the Bucc will go in with wings off as we see the huge opportunity to do a complete refurbishment on this airframe. The Canberra is supposed to be going to Germany and is due to be dismantled and moved in January, heading back to Laarbruch where she served. There are a great many artefacts to go back in not just the airframes. We are very conscious of not putting stuff into just for the sake of it. We will attempt to keep the airframe area relatively clear and will probably change some displays on a regular cycle with items normally in store. This is common practice in big national museums and keeps the displays dynamic and not staid and static.
The roof is low in places, it’s actually three heights, this is part of the compromise to get planning permission and the highest footprint. The Hunter pic is deceptive, it will go much further over and the Harrier will sit alongside, their fins accommodated by the middle height section. It’s surprising just how much clearance there really is, even in the lowest part.
It is also an often ignored or unknown fact that Ford Motor Co. built many thousands of Merlins, perhaps according to some sources, more than RR themselves.
Rich,
on the way Fri a.m.
PS The concrete for the new building is almost all poured, should be complete tomorrow. Just got to get it set and dried so that we can roll airframes onto it, estimate 7 weeks. The rest of the building will be finished in three or four weeks.
Rich,
I have all three volumes of the AP101B-1703-1B1, 1B2,1B3 that I scanned some years ago from our copy. They are a bit tatty in places but we haven’t found anything missing so far. I’m quite happy to send you a copy of all of the manuals, if that’s any help. As an aside the RAF museum has all three volumes but I hate to think what the cost would be these days, last time I checked they wanted £250 per vol.
I suspect that the 2C is an aircrew invention. It appears to have been used at Ballykelly and later at Changi in aircrew log books, it may have been used to differenciate between the different phases.
During my time with Shackletons one of my jobs was to fit role equipment into airframes coming back from Phase 3 refurbishment. They were then air tested and issued to the squadron(s). At no time did the F700 and associated documents use the annotation 2C. Later perusal of similar still does not include it. One of the most authoritative Shackleton books written by Chris Ashworth does not use that anywhere either.
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