It seems unlikely that a Shack would get permission to fly in the UK, given the experience with WL790. Although I wish all of the people at Coventry all the best luck in this endeavour. As they will know, we at GAM have a number of MKII spares still in their original boxes ex-Avro, I’m sure that some arrangement could be made if they needed these spares.
Just to be pedantic:-
Viper install was a separate initiative and originally not a part of Phase III refits. In fact the first few airframes that were Phase III’d had to be sent back to have the Vipers fitted, it was only short way into the programme that it was incorporated into the process. Orange Harvest was a Phase II fit not III.
Long one looks very similar to the Fuel c0ck lever on the Sea Prince/Pembroke.
I’ll have a look at the weekend if you don’t get a definite reply in the meantime.
Better still use the original material for the “nose cone”.
I believe that there is still a maker of the sprayable neoprene somewhere
on the south coast.
There is an interesting site dedicated to the Arrow.
The URL is
http://www.avroarrow.org/
Bex is still an active member of GAM.
We recently received this information regarding the history of WH773.
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“I notice from your website that at your museum you have what I understand to be the first production Canberra PR7 that was delivered to the RAF – WH773. You may be interested in some information I have about that aircraft’s earliest operations.
I am not sure if you are aware, but this aircraft’s first tasking was as part of the specially formed New Zealand Air Race Flight attached to 540 Sqn at RAF Wyton. The flight was headed up by Wg Cdr Lewis Hodges, and my father (Then Sqn Ldr Bob Currie) was the senior navigator for the RAF Canberra crews.
According to my father’s log book, WH773 was collected by Wg Cdr Hodges and my father from the English Electric Factory at Salmesbury on 11 Sep 1953 and taken to Wyton, after few shake down and familiarisation sorties. Hodges, my father and 773 arrived at London Airport on 3 Oct 1953 for the build up to the air race. WH773 was to be Canberra Number 1 of 5 (others being RAF PR3’s & RAAF B2s).
Hodges, my father and 773, set off on the air race at 1735 on 8 Oct 1953 heading for their first fuel stop at Shaiba, and then on to Negombo. They set an official speed record for the London to Colombo leg of 10hrs 25 mins (836.004 kmh/520 mph/452 kts).
They then pressed on to Perth and were well in the lead, but sadly a double generator failure cost them precious time. They eventually reached Christchurch New Zealand in the early hours of 10 Sep 1953 and were placed fourth, though they had the fastest flying time of 22 hrs 22mins from London to Christchurch New Zealand. The winning Canberra PR3 was crewed by Flt Lt Burton and Flt Lt Gannon – that aircraft – WE139 is in the Hendon Museum.
My Father’s last connection with WH773 was on 27 Oct 1953 when they flew it from Pearce to Changi, thereafter he switched to a PR3 for the final legs back home.”
Using Firefox as the browser.
You may be interested to know that using Firefox I cannot see the menu items on the left frame, they only show up using iexplorer. I have found this is quite a common problem when using MS Frontpage as the web editor. It may be that you are not concerned that other browsers cannot navigate your site, but with a significant portion of the browser market, making the site Firefox friendly may be useful.
Argus
I was in Malta on det with 42 sqdn just before Christmas 1968 when an Argus come through heading home, trying to get there for Christmas. The Argus used the same radar as the MK3 Shack, ASV21 and this Argus had a duff radar. I received a call from the ground crew asking if we could help them with the problem. This was frowned upon by the management and second lines because the Canadians were often several mod states behind us. It was obvious when a Canadian unit turned up because the serial numbers all started with a 9. Anyway we swapped their faulty modulator for one of ours and took the moans.
9 months later I was with a MK3 when we landed at RCAF Greenwood and who should be the first person that I saw when when vacated the aircraft but the radar eng from the Argus in Malta! A small world indeed. Had a really great week in Nova Scotia, we basically parked the Shack, partied and finally dragged our tired, hungover bodies back to St. Mawgan a week later.
Gatwick Aviation Museum do have a runnable Sea Prince.
We are just in the midst of modifying the starboard fuel c0ck system to match the port side. The mod consists of removing the original fuel c0ck and teleflex and replacing it with another fuel c0ck driven by an electrical actuator. The mechanical bit is done and I am preparing to make the electrical loom and control panel now. Should be complete in a couple of weeks and we can then run her fully again.
The long term aim is to get the Vipers on the Shack to a runnable condition. Not sure that we would ever run all six (4 Griffons; 2 Vipers) but you never know!
It is also possible that we will get the Venom running again in the near future. It used to run, but that was probably over ten years ago. A recent quick survey suggests that it’s still in good condition and we can get the cartridges.
We are also working on the Hunter T7 to get ready to fit the engine to this soon. After the seats were taken out and the nose leg re-inflated the cockpit floor and low down bits were found to be in a poor condition due to water ingress in the past. Just renovating the three Teleflex runs at the moment. (Throttle;LP C0ck;HP C0ck).
Newark’s Shack is not a runner, I believe that the engines are seized, I don’t think she’s ever been a runner since the museum acquired her.
No doubt someone, a self confessed expert, will correct me!
The air start pod at Gatwick is currently being restored.
Sadly we don’t have the manuals either, it’s just a case of experienced aeroengine engineers using their knowledge and experience.
I believe there may an issue with which browser is used.
When I try to play the track01 with Firefox I do not get the player control bar displayed beneath the track number.
It all works OK when used with Internet explorer V7.
Actually part of “Magical Mystery Tour” was filmed in Cornwall, some of it at Watergate Bay. I was at St. Mawgan at the time and the rumour was that the Beatles were invited to the sergeants mess, didn’t happen of course! Whole area was electric for about three days.
Watergate bay being right at the end of the runway and with MOTU, with its T.4 Shacks, on almost continuous circuits it was almost inevitable that one aircraft would get into shot.
I therefore believe that this is the reason that the Shackleton is in this film and can clearly remember seeing it when it was first released.
Here is the whole team who were involved in the Shack run on Sunday 30th
Peter Vallance on the right.
Gary thanks for posting the pic, I think!
We are always hoping to get them inside. The politics changes little as each year goes by, but they are still here. We will continue to fight the effects of weather and age. With such a large airframe and only a handful of engineers, plus 20 odd other airframes we have to prioritize the tasks. For the Shackleton getting the engines running again has obviously been No.1. for those whose primary interest is the Shack. In policy terms our primary task list has generally been one of “getting things running again”. As a consequence the external appearance of some exhibits may have suffered. That not to say that some work is not going on to improve the airframes. The Vixen for instance, has had many panels removed and corrosion treated in the past couple of months, these are being repainted and will be refitted soon. The Bucc has just had the canopy replaced and we are hoping to get a number of parts for this airframe to improve her appearance and general wellbeing. We are often amused when just after we have simply re-painted an airframe to find it described as “fully restored”, if only!
As a group of volunteers we have decided this summer to reverse that “engineering first” policy and put engineering tasks as second priority, that’s always assuming that the weather co-operates! This should mean that a number of aircraft will end the summer in a much better external condition. Sadly, it is often the external appearance upon which the success of a museum is judged by, understandable, but possibly erroneous.
Vipers, well we have them, to be strictly accurate we have one on site and one at RRHT being refurbished. It takes RRHT five years to carry out the work. We are very grateful for the work that they doing on our behalf. It will therefore be obvious that any plan involving the Vipers is a long term version.
In outline; we do intend to refit them and make them runnable. Possibly reworking the installation to run on AVTUR/JET-A1 by using the tip tanks as the fuel source.
We would like to take this opportunity to say, thank you, to the many people who turned up and supported our efforts. It really makes all the work worthwhile.
Peter Mills
Glad you enjoyed it, we certainly did. The weather was a real bonus.
We had spent many hours on Saturday in the wet, cold and dark working on No.4. Sadly only with partial success, more to do there!
There were two of our members/associates taking video on the outside, plus two more on-board with video cameras. We are putting together a DVD of all the runs, not just the recent ones. The source material is on a numbers of different formats and this is slowing down the final version. Plus now course Rod will have to incorporate the footage from yesterday! By the way I don’t appear in any of your photos, I bathed specially too! Any one need to know how to burn £400 of AVGAS, just ask…….
Peter Mills ( the one on the end of a long headset lead)
Gatwick Aviation Museum open day and Shackleton run – Sunday 30th
Just a last reminder, it looks like the weather is going to be against us, but we will try to open up a much as possible. It won’t affect the Shack run, WR982 will be open before and after the run almost no matter what the weather is like.
Come along and support one of the only “live” museums in the south; hear the unmistakable sound of four Griffons on song!
Thanks
Peter Mills and all at Gatwick Aviation Museum.