Sea Slug was an excellent missile name. The “slug” sounds like it had good punch to it.
IMMOO seaslug is a bit naff as a name. But no worse than other near contemporaries ‘Red Top’ what? Are we firing copies of the Scum at our enemies? Sparrow? Sparrow? Of all the birdies to name your AAM after
It would be very large for the tasking,
Agreed in parts.
IF one wanted to use an aviation ship in anti-piracy ops (presumably using a mix of all available helos and UAVs) then a nice cheap aviation platform with none of the expensive electronics which pushes up frigate prices is what you want.
So Ocean-replacement as the vessel previously known as C3 then
JASDF Mothra
Initially replace F4, if vapourware Japanese VLO air superiority aircraft appears then Mothra would take on all second line roles
Two possible flavours
1. Based on Phoon
or
2. Based on F16XL
In either case:
2 seats
J10 style DSI
TVC and IR suppression
No dorsal vertical stabiliser (‘tail’)
AESA
No there are only 4 internal hardpoints, 2 Air-to-Air and 2 Air-to-ground, it would only be possible to carry 2 500Lbs.
+1
Internally (even) more than externally store volume and number of mounting lugs is just as important as store mass
i.e. the A2G hardpoint in EACH F35B bay can carry a SINGLE 1000lb store. At the moment as far as we know it can’t carry TWO 500lb stores. The A2A hardpoint in EACH bay is not designed to accept the mass and volume of a 500lb A2G store as it is explicitly designed to hold an AMRAAM (and hopefully eventually other A2A stores)
It’d be far better to have 56 F-35s than a mix totalling 55, and just keep the training as it has been done in the past.
Presumably that depends on how we define ‘better’
Single ship type reducing supply train
Simpler and easier to maintain airframe reducing maintenance
Wear and tear on RAM vs. no wear and tear on RAM (even if it be woven RAM)
Opportunity to co-operate on induction, training and servicing
VLO
Vulnerability of being beholden to single supplier
Integration issues with a platform
Closer co-operation with current or possible future allies
I can see pros and cons for any of three options
Operationally the Hi-Lo mix seems pretty attractive. BUT without any numbers on the three scenarios we are all guessing rather
Naah. The really cheap option would be second-hand A300 from storage
The really awesome option (in both original and californian meanings of the word) would of course be the Vulcan B4
‘Just’ make it better in all respects
Ejector seats for all crew not just the chosen few
Nice efficient turbofans
Simplify and add lightness
Mayhap a selection of alcoves to allow conformal carriage of a variety of missiles and stores
Or the NR-349… an advanced interceptor based on the A-5 Vigilante…
Corrr warplane porn. I’d heard about the idea of sticking a third jet in the Vigilante but I hadn’t seen a piccies and didn’t really just how awesome it’d have looked. So thanks for posting.
3 Phoenix in tandem really does shown how long Vigilante is
And what troubles me is that things high on alot of lists here such as T82 and County class were big old ships that cost alot in operating costs and building a much more impressive fleet could be constructed on the same money…
Sorry, I’m a bit late in catching this post.
Fire away then old bean. I am more than sure that ‘my’ Fantasy Fleet could be bested.
Everyone is proposing super sleek jets, how about something a little more rugged like the A-10?
A-10, of course
2 seat – absolutely
All weather day/night avionics – presumably taken as read?
DAS, EOTS, DIRCM – absolutely
GAU-22/25mm in place of avenger – ? – that’s quite possibly brilliant, although I’d stick with one myself
Bellymounted chaingun – this appears to be AAC’s weapon of choice in Afghanistan so seems like a winner. Maybe that’s where to put the second GAU-22? Admittedly that’s not a no-brainer as we talking lighter round AND a heavier mount which will take more turning.
Tailgun – ? – not so sure
I’m not so sure about that. Look at the roles he said and then consider the shrinking budgets of the MOD. That’s about what they could have afforded
Sadly you might be right there 😡 🙂
Not a fighter but surely a fantasy
A common big jet for AEW/ASaC, EW, MPA, ELINT, standoff munitions launch and ideally IFR
RAF currently has a raft of aged and different platforms, I am sure that the same is true of other European Air Arms.
Boeing 787 or Airbus A330 as base
Both designed for thermodynamic efficiency in operation and ease/cheapness of maintenance.
Common mission bay and interfaces (I’m NOT advocating here that modules be swapped for different missions but rather that as much commonality as possible between big jets in the fleet and future upgrades be made as simple and efficient as possible)
I thought that one of the possibilities for Japan was to let their industry develop an AESA of their own. Although an AESA really would help for India.
Even allowing for the speculative nature of such discussions my next point is woolly.
If Japan sees domestic involvement in Typhoon AESA as a good thing
AND Japan and India both have China as their biggest potential threat
Might India see Japanese AESA on Typhoon as a good thing?
One cultural issue for Japanese Eurofighter. What to call it? There is one obvious Japanese language name for a Typhoon or strong wind but historically probably not acceptable (although I thought that about German adoption of Typhoon and was wrong there)
Mosquito FRS1
COIN and CAS, fully carrier capable
Turbojet engines with funky compound curve airscrews a la A400M
Single 5 barrelled 25mm in nose section
Brimstone underwings
Link 16
Sensor pack in bomb bay (SAR, linescan FLIR, laser designators, UAV controlling comms, ESM to be plugged in as required)
If T-82 was “double ended”…ie, 2 Sea Dart launchers……would she have four Type 909s?
Ideally yes. But ’tis a big old bit of kit so I might have to settle for not. In which case clever management of illuminators required.
leander’s. keep as GP’s but modernize as follows, 4.5 DP guns, 4 Ship Martel SSM’s as in Van Speijk, 6 cell SeaWolf on hanger roof, Lynx HAS, torpedo tubes & 20mm guns.
You seem to have given this rather more thought than I. I’d like to stick with two lightweight twin arm seawolf with autoloaders on the hangar myself.
Looking at what our Indian chums did with their Leanders I wonder if that Hangar could be made to hold a Sea King? In which case the fleet could standardise on ONE helo! Sea King for the win.
Devonshires build further 4 and modernise the other 8 as follows; 4.5inch @ A, multi luncher for Ikara, Sea Dart & Ship Martel @ B & Y, Sea King or 2 Lynx HAS 20mm’s and torpedo tubes. COGAG power plant reduce crew & possiblt stay in service until 2000 at least phasing out hopefully with arrivals of Darings.
More Countys? Get in! I went with guns A and B for the look of the thing (and a half-hearted justification that she’d be able to take out TWO hostile shore batteries at once) but your idea would make her much more formidable.
By losing seaslug one also gets rid of the-world’s-largest-missile-control-radartm and so the hangar can laid out in a much more rational manner. So at least 1 Sea King looks absolutely doable.
like this. vessel names, would Duke of York not be more probable that Empress of India?
Being a republican (general usage of word rather than US) I am wary about naming any ship after aristocracy, royalty or a royal title. I was taking the ****. Defender of the Faith ships motto: Tea and Cake or Death? has a nice ring though 🙂
as thread about not canceling how about the fleet SSM being Ship Martel.
Like it! Anglo-French rather than French. Commonality of logistics with air launched and presumably a range of guidance options. And with our hindsight hats on ready for a turbojet range upgrade in the future.
Aircraft 2 squadrons of Vickers 581.s from start- mid ’73?
Heresy I know, but for me the only beautiful swing wing is the F14 (or Manxcat FRS4)
Escort vessels, wasn’t there an Anglo-Oz destroyer featured recently, how about these?
As well as? Or which of my legacy units would you have it replace?