Flip me
Is it really true that Seawolf’s have 8 torpedo tubes?
Seems to be absent any VLS though so mayhap this is why Virginias have dropped back to 4 tubes.
The UK might be smart to fill the empty spots on their deck with one just to fill in some of the excess capacity left from not buying all the F-35 airframes it set out to buy.
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That would require
a. two supply trains, two training programmes
b. tacit admission that FAA needed all of the original airframes
A typically over-complicated, British bodge solution to the first problem would be to operate JSF from one flat top and Sea Gripen (‘Grendel’?) from the other. But that would require b. and that won’t happen.
What nations navy would buy it??????
Jack E. Hammond
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Well given that US has reneged (again) on the pledge to provide source code for JSF, RN might well be interested as well.
The fact is that, in order to ringfence spending on hospitals and education (both areas where a fair amount of money could be saved without hurting effectiveness)!
How dare you sir, spending 1/3 of the education budget on consultants and advisors at County level and higher makes perfect sense. Likewise a rolling annual programme of refurbishment to executive offices in NHS hospitals and Flag Rank retiring on a pension of full salary. Why on earth would be spend aany of that money on accomodation, personnel or a planned procurement of equipment for front line forces. You are talking rubbish 😉
I may be wrong but it seems to me that the RAF has the Typhoon…. the F-35 is supposed to equip the RN
Sort of
RAF and RN were/are planning a joint force joint strike fighter
However with upcoming rationalisations I would not be massively surprised to see FAA getting all of (the POSSIBLY smaller) buy of JSF and RAF standardising on Typhoon as their one and only fast jet.
Here is a picture of the LA class showing it’s VLS tubes. I’m not sure how many missiles fit in each cell but there are numbers on each cell that go up in 2’s so maybe it’s 2 in each cell. These are located further back from the front in what looks like a plug.
I’d love that to be the case
But:
Numbering starts at 6 (so I presume that 1 though 4 are for fish in t’bows)
The houses on the other side of my road have plates showing even numbers which go up in twos that doesn’t mean that each of them has two houses
So I suspect that its one missile per silo
We cannot see starboard central numbers so I’d GUESS at 5,7,9,13
We cannot see port outboard silos so I’d guess at 12,16
(Thus starboard outboard silos would be 11,15)
Harpoon has a much vaunted ability to follow two dog legs in its flightpath (which is why launchers fire out to the side they can be programmed to go 90 left or right after launch which older gen AShMs could not). Has any work gone into adapting/firing harpoon from these tomahawk silos? If I were Captain of a US SSN I’d like to be able to have my full complement of fish ready at all times. More broadly this would allow all ships with mk41 to use Harpoon.
Fighter
(I’ll admit I was beaten to the punch on the use of Anglo-Saxon so I wanted something showing absolutely no imagination)
The MR4A vs P8 and Wildcat vs anything else made by AW is interesting. Not least because it mirrors a thread in the naval aviation thread (San Antonio class vs. something else)
It appears (to me) that aquisition of military hardware is now in such small numbers that no programme (not even for the mighty USAF) can afford to be aimed at one customer.
IFF MR4A had been new build frames then UK would (I hope) have
avoided the cost overuns associated with retrofitting CNC machined wings to hand made one-off aiframes
had an airframe suitable for export to any number of operators of MPA looking to replace
IFF USN had taken a more sobere view of Zumwalt, LCS, OHP replacement, San Antonio they could have had the numbers they wanted and cleaned up on the export market
Which is why in my view it is SO important that JSF works.
The F-117 was phased out because it was only stealthy and lacked speed, maneuvarability and sensors.
F-15 and F-16 on the other hand that has speed, maneuverability and sensors but no stealth was kept and will be flying for a long time.
I don’t disagree with any part of the above. But……….. my understanding is that JSF programme was instituted to deal with this very dichotomy
US air arms wanted
Speed
Maneuverability
Sensors
AND
Stealth
(and payload, affordable purchase price and relative ease of maintenance)
There IS still time for JSF to deliver on all of these things. I hope.
Also notice that the ancient B-52 and not so new B-1 is kept even though it has no stealth
B1b signature is significantly smaller than B1 though.
and only 21 stealthy B-2 has been procured.
I struggle with the idea behind the B2. Although tbh I see the triad as overkill. But that may not be a popular pov on an aviation forum! With the fall of the Berlin wall and the end of eastern bloc state capitalism what reason could there possibly have been for B2? MAYBE USAF will need such a thing in the medium term but how many years of wasted expenditure and unecessary hangarage for US to buy and keep the original planned buy of B2s between planned inception and possible use-by date?
(For the record I’m more than happy to spend/’waste’ money on ONE deterrent which stops a war breaking out but two or three?!)
The stealthy A-12 was canceled and instead Superhornet with RCS reduction was procured.
But A-12 programme was only ever planned to bankrupt two of the ‘surplus’ competing US warplane manufacturers wasn’t it? ’tis just McD and GD’s misfortune that they fell into the trap.
Swiftsure and Trafalgar are contemporaries of US Los Angeles boats. I believe that all 3 have 5 tubes (2 port, 2 starboad and 1 amidships discharging at an angle below the bow sonar).
In all cases I believe that this was becase the bow sonar was so much larger than previous arrays and so this significantly changed position and layout of torpedo tubes.
Astute is significantly wider than S and Ts so I’d guess that there is room to mount 3 tubes each side. Also miniaturisation of accoustic transducers probably makes an equiavlent (or one would hope better) bow array achievable in smaller volume.
There was talk of making any handling room for Spearfish entirely automated due to hazards of propellant, don’t know if a way has been found around that which frees up room for a sixth tube. If Tactom is now part and parcel of standard operations then (regardless of retention or deletion of sub-harpoon capability) an extra tube would always be welcome.
All of the above subject to much guesswork and many provisos.
C1 and C2 using T45 hull sounds good to me
B position on that C1 does look a little bare but then so does B position on T45!
The optimist would say that plans are afoot to easily infill with more CAAM silos on C1 and C2 (the pesimist would think about UK Gov’s failure to pay for Afghan and Iraq campaigns seperate from standard defence budget and so realise that T45s, C1s and C2s in time of war might well not receive their kit which they have been fitted for anyway)
C3 using Sigma would be my choice. I’d like it to use the biggest available but we will see whether the C3 units all get binned two at a time (a la this week’s announcement) never mind whether or not we get the BEST units for the tasks
The other strange thing about it is it has no funnels/stacks/exhausts anywhere on it so how is it propelled, battery? I did mention this before but no one else seemed to think it was worth comenting:(
Not strictly true I writedified and I still believe that the structure which others (charmingly and naively IMO) take to be an amidships VLS is in fact the funnel.
whats so impressive with hat weapon load? 🙂
Well the hat’s none too impressive but the wingtip sidewinder rails are quite interesting.
Besides its 76mm oto gun. What’s is it armed with???
4x Exocet (since the whole point of the design is modularity that could presumably be swapped out for Harpoon with no drama or more likely FFBNW Harpoon)
Couple of small calibres (20mm GIATs I think)
Lightweight fish
The two small versions have a quad pack fore and aft of a French manpad (mistral?). The bigger version has a VLS for’d for Mica
I think that SIGMA could be the basis for a very successful RAN OPV and C3 for RN
Here’s an idea…………
1.) UK builds first CVF for Royal Navy.
2.) France builds the second CVF for India. To be followed by further CVFs constructed in Indian Yards.
3.) UK builds the third CVF for Royal Navy.
4.) France builds the forth CVF for the French Navy.
Note: UK and French components could be sourced for CVF #2 onward to lower costs even further.
What do you think of such a plan???
I think that it all sounds rather too sensible and longterm and so will not happen. I also think that this is a shame.