Love the ending. 😉
Real cute find Greenday real cute. :dev2:

Well it was correct. I dont think DRFM is the issue, I doubt PAF even thinks it will get that- the core issue is of the RWR reprogramming. That is a bigger thing than offensive EW but I Musharraf may have overplayed his hand in the States what with all his controversial comments.

Au Contraire! As far as I know, there are atleast three different ways available to the PAF for getting DFRM without any qualms. And all this RWR not being re programmable talk was started by a has been ex officer of the Pak army who in turn got it from a letter posted to him by a dunderhead whose letter reproduced in the papers showe a clear lack of knowledge of the subject on which he was writing.
Reality is other wise.
And as for word on the F-16 deal, it will be out in the next week or thereabouts.

Its official – Pak F16s are to be sub-standard and threat to the national security of Pakistan ! Anybody who has read the going ons of the US Senate House International Relations Committee knows now that the F16s pakistan will be getting are sub-standard ( as I called them substandard junk etc etc before ). All the malarky about limitations on the design of the F16s sold to pakistan I already repeated before in my previous thread of “Sale of F16s hits snag in the congress” and was repeated in the proceedings of the committee. But that the newly acquired F16s would be a threat to pakistan’s national security came as a surprise even to me. The sale includes the following plans:

· site surveys and end-use monitoring, including annual inventories of all equipment related to the F-16s, by US officials;
· dedicated facilities for storage of spare parts and maintenance;
· strict limitations on access to the planes;
· complete segregation of the F-16s from third country-origin aircraft;
· express permission from the US government before Pakistan can fly the planes outside of its own airspace;
· full compliance with the security plan before the planes, weapons and equipment can be delivered.

I hope after reading the above redgriffin, AA sherrif etc would start to look for a suitable “chulo” to dive in together and not surface ( as in sharam se chulo bar pani mein dhoob maro ). Those of whose first langauge is not urdu I will translate ( not that it effect you in any way )- the pakistani saying I quoted in italics refers to drowning oneself out of shame. Redgriffen you were chiding me about not knowing jack (First of all to Anza, yes I can and do tolerate oppossing views. What I don’t tolerate is somebody shooting himself(and his community in general) in the foot by going on and on about something he does not know even jack about. )

I bet you never knew pakistan had to ask for america’s permission to use f16 outside of pakistan airspace—Pakistan has to ask treacherous america’s permission in using f16 against india ( it would take them out of pakistan’s airspace).

Btw the first three conditions pose the greater threat to Pakistan’s national security since it would allow western agencies to spy on pakistan’s nukes i.e. designs, numbers etc. and more importantly their locations etc. ( site surveys and end user monitoring are words which would come to haunt pakistan).

Personally I cannot phanthom any sincere pakistani agreeing to this rubbish after all pakistan is paying for the planes and not leasing them, specially when the technology they are seeking to protect is out dated.

The old saying “Too good to be true” proves its wisdom on US offer of f16s to pakistan. US proves instead it is still the old-pre-911 treacherous, unreliable ally ( with allies like these who needs enemies ) of pakistan.

These are normal US procedures for export customers, they were there before and will be there in the future too.I still maintain that you don’t know jack. All the procedures are normal and were enforced even when we were “oh so cosy” with the US.(i.e the 80s) and even with the sanctions, there were US techreps both civies and armed forces pros posted in Pakistan looking over our vipers and doing all of the above. And the permission to operate outside Pakistan is exercise related only and will not apply in combat conditions.(this is from someone who is actually working on the procurement of F-16s for the PAF.)

First of all to Anza, yes I can and do tolerate oppossing views. What I don’t tolerate is somebody shooting himself(and his community in general) in the foot by going on and on about something he does not know even jack about.
First of all regarding substandard junk. The F-16s supplied to us were not substandard by any definition. If not having a nuclear consent panel is substandard to you well then you are entitled to your views. Ground clearance on all F-16s is more or less uniform every where. A mk-84 2000 lbs’er is dimensionally larger than any tactical nuclear device but easily fits on the n05 station where you want the nucto be. Well if there was lower than normal ground clearance on our falcons, then we would not be able to fit mk-84s on the no5 station.
Remember that the net is not the place where all the information is available. And as for not believing me, I don’t ask neither expect you or anyone to believe me. Those who really have insider connections in the PAF know where I stand with regards to the veracity of what I post( for instance go ask Pshamim, or Sabre on DT or Usman Shabbir on Pakdef).
And once again the issue of Pakistan having transferred F-16 tech to China, again I ask anybody with contacts in Lockheed or the US DOD to ask what their team found at PAC Kamra.

Ariealbots merge! Superion anyone 😀
The animated G1 movie was great.
BTW will the movie be based around Generation1 or the newer characters? I absolutley abhor some of the newer Transformer incarnations. Like did anybody take a look at the mockery of the A-10 which Wingsabre was in Cybertron(the 2005 series) and Jetfire looked like the result of a mating between an Antonov heavy and 4 rocket boosters. YUCK! I want my good looking G1 guys back 😎
IMHO if it ain’t G1 it ain’t Transformer :diablo:
What about the Technobots? One of them was a proper airplane too.

To thread starter, F-24 was supposed to be the original designation for the F/A-18E/F Superhornet. As for what you’ve pulled out I don’t know wether it’s a photo shop or somebody’s idea for a new Starscream.

FC-20 is the PAF designation for J-10.
And the numbers will go up. Trust me they will.

If you would have said lahore i would have agreed

As a Lahorite I’m offended. BTW Lahore actually has fewer beggars than KHI. Isloos another story. Hell atleast it’s cleaner,greener and has better and more good looking buildings and more Parks than Khi.:)