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  • in reply to: Projects pictures #2638030
    Sundog
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    Hi Jozef,
    It’s good to see your site is back up. I’ve never seen that version of the P.1134i before. May I ask where you found that? It looks very cool. Also, on your old home page you had a wire model of a four eninged, two engines per pod on each wing, of what, if recall correctly, was a Russian highspeed aircraft? I was wondering what that was as well?
    Anyway, it’s good to see your artwork back online 😀

    in reply to: Boeing X-32, "Monica" #2625601
    Sundog
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    The reason the X-32 wasn’t chosen was because it couldn’t meet all of the mission requirements. Period. It DID NOT meet the STOVL requirements, it suffered from hot gas reingestion (That means the intake sucks back in the hot lift thrust which drops the thrust enough to cause the engine to stop producing much thrust). It also never landed at full up weight. The X-35 did.

    The X-32 did have alot of interesting and innovative design features. But ultimately, it failed. Now part of it was because Lockheed had an advantage thoughout the entire competition. Originally, the JSF program was just a demonstrator/design study program to see how well a shaft driven lift fan system would perform against a “bleed air” driven lift fan system (Northrop was directed to work on that version). Most engineers expected the shaft driven system to perform the best, but it was just a design study. However, about halfway through, the government decided to make it a production contract instead of just a demonstrator. This left Northrop scrambling to try and find a lift concept that would work, since they knew the air driven lift fan system was a bust. So they went to a lift/main engine system like the Yak series aircraft, because they knew they couldn’t catch up to Lockheed on the shaft driven system. Then Boeing worked their way into the competetion with their direct lift system. Northrop lost out in the design study competetion based on their propulsion system for the STOVL variant.

    As for the Boeing vs Lockheed systems, most expected Lockheed to win if the shaft driven system worked. If it didn’t, then it would have been Boeings by default. There were some early gearbox problems, but those were worked out. So it was basically Lockheeds to lose.

    I liked the Boeing design for the one piece wing. Looks wise, it reminded me of the 50’s Saunders Roe designs. Portly, yet cool. Also, I should point out that I think the classified stealthy STOVL/VTOL aircraft refered to as “Senior Citizen”, Advanced Tactical Transport may also use a shaft driven lift system. But that’s just based on rumor and some design studies carried out by the USAF.

    Anyway, usually when new technology is developed by government funds, the knowledge is then passed on to all participants to use when a “construction” requirement comes up. That didn’t happen this time. So basically, the government was favoring Lockheed, since the technology wasn’t developed using only private funds.

    Having said that, it doesn’t mean Lockheed would have lost. I’m just pointing out some of what went on, which I think was a result of Lockheeds political lobbying prowess more than anything alse (As with the ATF competition as well).

    in reply to: PAK FA news #2625656
    Sundog
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    As for the MiG 1.42 having semi recessed external weapons, it was just a prototype. The production version was to have internal weapons bays. What many of you aren’t considering is that internal bays also put less stress on the weapons themselves which helps protect seeker heads during normal peacetime operation and/or in poor weather.

    As for the “F-18” type wing, such wing planforms offer the best transonic aerodynamic performance where as a delta has lower wave drag at much high mach numbers. Going to an F-18 type wing, tells me the PAK-FA is being designed to be in the F/A-22s performance envelope, an airplane that supercruises at M=1.7 . You really don’t need a delta configuration (tailless or with a canard) unless you are using it to make a smaller airframe for a given mission or you’re going to be supercruising upwards of M=1.8.

    All of what I said above is fact, not speculation, since these are given geometric relationships within aeronautics. IMHO, the MiG 1.42 was the size it was with the planform it had because I would be willing to bet they were going to use it as a replacement for the MiG-31, in lieu of the MiG-701 and to replace Flankers. Therefore, to keep the design as small as possible for that mission they went with a delta canard. The PAK-FA obviously isn’t being designed for that mission. The real speculation here is about the mission. The mission designs the aircraft, not the other way around. They are obviously going with an “F-18” style wing because it meets the mission requirements better than a delta wing does.

    BTW, for those who don’t know what I mean when I say mission, it doesn’t mean fighter vs ground attack, it means the mission profile. What’s the range? How long does it have to supercruise? What are the weapons loadout requirements? What are the maneuvering requirements? What are the airfield performance specs? etc. Those are the requirements that lead the designers to choose an F-18 style wing instead of a delta. Period. End of story.

    in reply to: What is the feasibility of the X-29 as a cheap aircraft #2625668
    Sundog
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    It would be highly unfeasible, because it’s range was far too short (No wing tanks) to be effective, they would probably be quite limited in terms of being able to attach weapons to it and I’m not sure how much room the FCS took up, but they would then also have to make room for the weapons sytem, since, IIRC, the FCS system was where the guns used to be in the F-5.

    Reasons such as this is precisely the reason aircraft such as the X-29 are simply considered demonstrators, as opposed to the S-37 which was more prototype than demonstrator. The same goes for the X-31. Their purpose, western demonstrators, are simply to demonstrate the feasibility of a new technology, devoid of how they would be applied to fulfill a specific mission. In fact, more often than not, we prefer to modify existing aircraft to a minimum to a prove a technology if we have to, like the STOL F-15 and the F-16 with the modified JSF inlet which respectively flew before the ATF and JSF did.

    in reply to: Does any country need the MiG-31's capabilities? #2633711
    Sundog
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    Well, for Supercruise, the MiG-701 was supposed to replace it, but that was cancelled. You should also note, the MiG-31 is reportedly the fastest Russian aircraft on the deck, it’s airframe being much strenghtened over that of the MiG-25s to allow it reach 1000mph on the deck. It’s assumed this was part of it’s cruise missle missle interception capabilites.

    Also, if I recall correctly, it’s avionics were somewhat networked, for flights of MiG-31s to share info, as the U.S. is now doing with the upgraded F-15s, F-22, ad F-35. So it was sort of a combo of AWACs and interceptor. I believe the newer Flankers have that capability as well. I might be thinking of the MiG-31M, but I thought the early versions had that capability as well.

    I think it is a greatly under rated airplane, based on what I’ve read. But, as already noted, it’s really only for countries with large airspace to defend without much infrastructure.

    in reply to: PAK FA news #2633750
    Sundog
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    My Guess is the PAK-FA will look similar to the T-50 drawing. A conventionally tailed aircraft has control advantages over a canard design, so I doubt they will use a canard, unless it is a three surface design like the Su-35. Many countries are using canards to make a smaller aircraft for the given mission, which lowers airframe cost. However, large airframes tend to be better than small ones, in terms of the lifetime service, because it allows more growth potential.

    Also, by it’s very nature, the PAK-FA has to be large, if it is going to take on the Raptor. It’s simply a function of the mission statement. Partly due to the need for an internal missle bay, which isn’t just for stealth, but lowers overall drag compared to an aircraft with external stores, but increases weight. The size is also dictated by the fuel fraction required for the supercruise mission.

    in reply to: Why The Jet Engine Nozzle Differs from Rocket Engine Nozzle #2639534
    Sundog
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    Actually, you will find that the jet nozzle you show is only true while the flow is subsonic. When a jet fighter kicks in afterburner, you will see it opens up such that the exit of the nozzle is now a larger diameter than the entrance (throat) of the nozzle, because the flow is now supersonic, just like in a rocket nozzle. When the flow is subsonic, you have to decrease the cross sectional area to increase the flowrate for a constant mass flow. Sort of like a water hose, where you stick your finger in the end, decreasing the area at the exit, which accelerates the flow. However, once the flow reaches sonic speed, Mach=1, you must now increase the area to accelerate the flow. eg, you need a convergent-divergent nozzle. The convergent section accelerates the flow to mach=1 at the throat, then the divergent section accelerates it more. Now granted, that’s a simplification, but basically subsonic and supersonic flows are opposite in how you accelerate or decelerate them.

    Yeah, those links Distiller posted are excellent. Those NASA sites are great for the basics.

    Sundog
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    FYI,
    The first pick is a picture of “kitbashing.” Anyone who has built model airplanes should be familiar with the concept of combining two model kits to make something new. That first pic is just a kitbash between a Mirage 2000 forward fuselage (I am assuming 1/48) and an F-111 from the rear cockpit bulkhead back (I am assuming 1/72 scale). The canards could have been scratch built or off of a drop tank, etc.

    The “Stealth” bomber pic is probably just a picture by a graphic artist describing a Chinese Bomber Program. I remember all of the “artists concpets” of the B-2 that came out before anything about the B-2 was known, except that it was reportedly a flying wing.

    Of course, it could “really” just be Chinese dis-information for the gullible. Apparently it’s been quite successful…lol ; )

    in reply to: PAK FA news #2681330
    Sundog
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    Don’t forget, Development of the ATF began around 1982, the prototypes first flew in 1990 and production of the F-22 is just beginning. I wouldn’t bet on the PAK-FA being operational before 2015 at the earliest.

    in reply to: Ex-Warbirds OF Great Britain aircraft #1377768
    Sundog
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    Not to mention, it isn’t just another Jug, it’s a Razorback. I think you need this plane, OD. Good luck! 🙂

    in reply to: Your First Model Aeroplane #1383302
    Sundog
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    My Dad bought me a 1/72 P-38, back in the 60’s when I was around five or six years old. I think it was the Revell kit, but I’m not sure. One of those phases, my love of aviation as a result of that kit, that I never grew out of 🙂

    in reply to: U.S. defence news #2635775
    Sundog
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    From the Dreamland Resort forum, regarding the honoring of test pilots of former and current classified programs…

    The Flight Test Historical Foundation’s “Gathering of Eagles” banquet honored six participants in three once classified programs that took place at Groom Lake: HAVE BLUE, TACIT BLUE, and Bird of Prey. It also provided a limited glimpse into as yet unrevealed black programs.

    The guest list included a large number of former Groom Lake personnel (military and civilian). There were pilots, engineers, technicians, program managers, and two former base commanders (one of whom is currently involved with range support for the area).

    Honorees included Keith Beswick (M/D-21 LCO, HAVE BLUE FTE, and Lockheed director of flight test for U-2, SR-71, F-117A, F-22, and “several other classified programs.”), Rudy Haug (primary pilot for Bird of Prey), Ken Dyson (Red Hats and HAVE BLUE pilot), **** Thomas (primary pilot for TACIT BLUE), Doug Benjamin (USAF pilot for Bird of Prey and “flew on and commanded a variety of classified programs”), and Dan Vanderhorst (“lead pilot on seven classified aircraft to date,” presumably including TACIT BLUE).

    In his career, Vanderhorst has conducted many of his flights in “one-of-a-kind technology demonstrator aircraft.” He has flown such milestone missions as first flight with modified landing gear, first flight with internal bays installed, first in-flight opening of weapon bay doors, and initial weapon separation tests. His biography notes cryptically that “he holds the altitude record in this aircraft.”

    “Since Vanderhorst has made his career in the cockpit of so many classified aircraft, there is not much we can say about him, on the record. In letters of recommendation, it is noted by his superior officers that his work has been outstanding and will probably never be recognized by the public.”

    He was unable to attend the “Gathering of Eagles” because he is currently working on a classified program.

    in reply to: The F-19 Stealth – fake or reality? #2638947
    Sundog
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    My guess is they (testors) only received verbal descriptions of the aircraft, such as:

    1) It has inlets on the upper surface which shield the engine faces from incoming RADAR. (Have Blue and the F-117)
    2) It has flat exhaust nozzles to more quickly mix the exhaust plume with the surrounding air to lower IR signature and to hide the turbine from the direct rearview.(Have Blue and the F-117)
    3) It has a “Beaver Tail” flap for trim behind the exhaust on the bottom and also to help shield the exhaust (Have Blue)
    4) It has twin fins canted inward toward centerline (Have Blue)
    5) It has a flat panel canopy and windscreen similar to an F-106 (Have Blue)
    6) It’s shape is sort of made of flat surfaces and it has a low aspect ratio modified delta shape.(Have Blue and F-117)
    7) It carries missles in two internal bays (F-117)
    8) It has IR’Laser seekers/targeting equipment (F-117)
    9) It’s a single seat aircraft (Have Blue and F-117)
    10) It uses the landing gear from existing aircraft (Have Blue and F-117 – Not sure on the second, but I keep thinking the F-117 uses Modified F-15 LG)

    Given tips like that, which did apply to those aircraft, I can see how Testors ended up with the kit they had. The only thing I really can’t figure out is where the canards came from. Perhpas testors just thought those seemed to be en vogue back then, so they added them..lol. I still think the Testors Kit looks pretty cool, just the same.

    in reply to: strange Rockwell fighter project from 1984 ! #2642184
    Sundog
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    That was just a design study. Design studies are done all the time when new technolgies present themselves to try and determine how much, if any, performance gains can be made by applying the new technology.

    in reply to: What the? New US stealth plane? #2642187
    Sundog
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    They actually used it to develop daytime stealth technology and to test new low cost manufacturing techniques which ended up being used in the development of the X-45A.

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