Finbar !
Ha ha and my unfeasibly large testicles – nice one!
nice study of her big flaps Tony
School boy snigger 😀
WA669 (CFS Little Rissington) was the original V-P aircaraft at their inception in 1971 as Alebrt’s and my shots wil testify.WF791 (ex 5 CAACU Woodvale) took over the flying duties from early 1976. The roles were reversed in 1984 with ‘669 again taking on the flying role and ‘791 being held as a flying reserve. This continued until the tragedy at Mildenhall ( I have seen a shot of the last seconds of the Vampire that clearly shows the tailboom intact – I had read that this had become lost during the collission) WF 791 was re-instated as a solo act for the 1987 season but rather eerily was lost on the bank holiday Saturday at Coventry – virtually a year to the day of the V-P loss.
RIP
A few other comments –
Milavia – Are’nt the Norwegian aircraft Northrop built, not CF/NF variants
MarocMirage – Thats a standard F5E/F centreline tank , but still cool
JaWorsley – The Spanish machine is an SF5B, not F and surely the Saudi one is and E, not an A
Well of course I have, but I didn’t want to show off…..but if you insist!
Thanks Albert – thats great – got the Meteor as well??
What publication is that scan from??
But we do have the awsome Heritage Pair who were based at Bournemouth untill the last few months. Although the Meteor has already gone to Coventry the Vampire was still there on Monday.
Yes bit if only they would paint them properly!!!!!!!!
Don’t remember it being after a roll I thought it was as they had finished the display and were positioning at about 1500ft through the overhead for a rejoin to land. Either way it was a sad day. The commentator that day did a great job as the next act was getting ready and he focussed on that and I believe that many didn’t realise what had happened.
OAW
Im pretty sure it was during the roll, definitely during the display – the meteor clipped the vamp’s tail boom.With no bang seats the 2 aboard the Meteor perished,as did the solo pilot at Coventry who manouvered to the last second to avoid built up areas. RIP
The commentator was the great Roger Hoefling – my fave airshow commentator and one that has done a lot to make Mildenhall the show it is (was!?) More airshows should use hoim IMHO!
Thought this was a nice little F5

The Vampire and Meteor crashed after a midair at Mildenhall in about ’86 – I was there sadly to witness it. Their last meteor crashed at Coventry a year or two later (not sure on the year)
OAW
Yes they were lost in a mid-air in May ’86, whilst performing a formation barrel roll. Meteor lost then was WF791. WA669 (the one in my pic- replaced by ‘791 in early ’76) was lost rather spookily almost a year to the day as said, at Coventry.
Kodak, a Split S is performed by rolling inverted while in straight and level flight and pulling through a half loop. The result is a 180 degree change in direction, loss of altitude and an increase in airspeed.
True, though a split s can also be performed in a climb rather than straight and level. The now infamous Thunderbirds crash was caused from one, done on take off. It is also referred to a reverse half cuban.
Originally posted by Stieglitz
The Dutch connie is confirmed for the Giggin Hill airshow in september. See this:
Aaah, bood old Giggin on the gump (!):D
Originally posted by RobAnt
So to return to my original question – a Derry Turn & a Derry Roll are the same thing – just spelt differently?
Ive never seen it described as a derry roll, although it is a rolling manouvere. Your initial description sounds correct – its easier to demonstrate than describe!! It can be performed from wings level, i.e pulling up then rolling “under” 270 degrees left or right to exit in the opposite direction. If the aircraft is already in a turn (say) to the right, a 90 degree roll to the right will put the aircraft in the opposite direction, though some will call this a “canadian break”!
I believe that John Derry “invented” the manouvere as the result of display flying, rather than most being originated in combat.
Originally posted by Ant Harrington
I have to agree with RobAnt,I didn’t see anything resembling a Derry in the last moments of the Firefly’s flight. It seemed to me that the pilot was trying to pull the aircraft through a half loop, from which I would guess he intended to roll off level at the top and thus find himself heading back towards the airfield. The rolls and oscillations which the aircraft performed occurred after the stall and departure from controlled flight.I think any notion that the pilot was attempting a Derry manouvre ought to be knocked on the head.
I don’t really like to get involved in the speculation surrounding this acident,but I witnessed the accident first hand and I feel it’s important to get things right and prevent misinformation from spreading.
It didnt resemble a derry turn as he only completed the first half- i.e. he got to inverted and did not pull through the remaining 45 degrees.This is where control was lost – I saw no traits of a stall, indeed the aircraft appeared to be at good speed, but the pull out was initiated inverted. Tempest nut has said that a “dodgy” derry had been completed at the western end – this leads me to believe that a second one was to be attempted. I presume by half loop, you refer to a split S whereby the pilot will pull up to the near vertical ,roll inverted and pull out as if completeing a loop. If this was being attempted and I very much doubt it (never, ever seen the firefly fly vertical aerobatic manouveres- rolls and derrys , yes, but loops, cubans, split s -no) he was way too low and underpowered. The only person who can answer us isnt here any more.
Originally posted by ALBERT ROSS
Yes, XK623 is with the Norfolk & Suffolk Aviation Museum at Flixton, near Bungay, Suffolk
yes but this is XK624 – yeh I know typo! The shot was taken at Biggin Hill B0B display, so 624 must have got around before XH304 came on the scene. Albert – surely you have better images than this??
Last time I spoke to Mr Hulls he was totally disinterested about telling anyone about the aircrafts movements and even more so if they had a camera with them. He COULD make some money by organising a photo shoot during a taxy run but thats his loss (and perogative) ‘spose.