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  • in reply to: The Concorde legacy and its effect on all aviation #2140759
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    @ Boyle wrote

    The U.S. SST program was scuttled in part by the Environmental lobby.
    They convinced congress that the contrails would lead to global cooling.
    Really, look it up.

    And they pressured congress to prohibit supersonic flight over the country because of the feared booms.
    The UK is so small, they would rarely make booms over its own country, so of course it wasn’t an issue. Imagine if the U.S. had an exclusive product and wanted to make daily booms over the UK, do you mean to say parliament and county councils would have been okay with that? Of course not.

    The UK fanboys and conspiracy nutters love to squawk about protectionism,
    Nonsense, the laws dealt with all SST designs, they affected the Concorde because it was the only one being built.
    The same group always forgets that the U.S. didn’t block other UK aircraft of the period, there were a lot of Viscounts sold in North America, and two airlines used many BAC 1-11s as well. The US was also a key market for business aircraft..Doves and Hurons in the 50s, DH 125s in the 60s-90s, Jetstreams (both before and after the HP collapse), and lots of Shorts 330s and 360s. New York Airways was a key customer for Rotodynes and Kaman wanted to build them, but the UK government, predictably, cancelled it.

    Doesn’t sound very protectionist to me.

    What makes a good airliner?
    Sorry kids, it’s not looks.
    One thing matters…it’s ability to make a profit for the operator.
    Because of inherent design limitations, fuel, and other matters, the Concorde was not cost effective, otherwise other non US airlines would have flown it on over water routes. So instead of blaming the US,ask why Australian, Asian, and middle eastern airlines never flew it.

    One could argue that many UK airline designs were designed too closely for the UK airlines (read Imperial Airways, later BOAC, but it also applies to BEA) and their heavily subsidized routes, where showing the flag in a UK design was more important than making a profit. If you make good, but less profitable aircraft, you’ll have a hard time selling them to non native carriers in the face of more competitive aircraft designed from the ground up to make money. Examine the history of the Trident vs the 727 as a prime example. The trend started long before Boeing began building jets..while Douglas was turning out flying busses like DC-2s and 3s, (and 4-6s post war) UK builders were preoccupied with building planes to link the Empire, which, given the few customers of the day and their expected needs, meant statehood, stewards, table linens and steamship line thinking. Any wonder why airlines like KLM bought Douglas ships instead of wooden de Havillands?

    The Concorde was a neat engineering feat, but in its role as a money maker, it was deficient.

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2140856
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    @Jboyl

    Another thread is up. Click/paste that over there if you can thx

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141056
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    @Tony

    But it won’t necessarily be the costs that might hinder a new operator but other environmental factors (carbon emissions) and say something like the fact that flying at over 11 miles high (a more efficient height for supersonic travel at Mach 2) can give high exposure to radiation which can cause cancer.

    Yeah and all of these issues are more controversial and political that people like to admit. We must look carefully at the motives of some of these groups and their claims. These radical environmental groups are in it to stifle technology.

    As aviation fans, we should be skeptical of this stuff. Because these groups stand in the way of aviation progress , something we love and live for.

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141092
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    @blueapple

    I don’t know where you got the idea there is no door (although they were kept open during most of the flight).

    Maybe because i paid an extra $100 to board the Concorde at the museum in New York. The tour guide was a total av geek who showed me the lack of door and the reasons why. You walk up the stairs, look to your left and flight engineer is right there. Behond him you can see the windshield. i know some got a door setup but it wasn’t made to be like that. Not all did if i recall
    http://86entry-halton.org.uk/onewebmedia/Concorde.jpg

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141263
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    @Tony

    Of course the boom was real. But they could have mitigated the noise pollution. Instead they banned it

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141293
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    @Swerve

    This isn’t an economics forum. But sure. In this era where air travel is Greyhound with wings, it was a failure. But maybe not.

    Because part of that economic calculation had to do with the way the industry was deregulated in some areas and not in others and how it all evolved.

    You just cant deny that there would be demand for supersonic travel. (monarchs, pro sports, celebs, business tycoons) And we had the technology to do it. So if those 2 things are true, the culprit for its death or non profitablity lies in government regulation.

    The whole noise pollution thing, if you look into it, was largely a scam. It had the same underpinnings of all neo-eviromentalists. The whole idea behind the movement was to slow down technology and capitalism. And the Concorde was a huge target because it represented Jetsons level technical advancement. But here we are 30 years later. We don’t question the validity of the noise pollution issue. We just take it at face value. There were other ways, other routes and procedures that could have mitigated the noise. But nope. It was a clear win for the enviro lobby.

    And this is relevant to the topic b/c it has to do with aviation evolution.

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141321
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    @Toocool

    There’s still a myth lingering out there that the Concorde was dangerous.

    The Concorde made it through the fuel price spike. It had little to do with the cancelling in 2003. Which was a time of very cheap fuel prices.

    The cockpit dividing door regs was an issue after 911. There is no such door and for a reason. The structural stretch from the heat.

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141324
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    BTW thanks Logical1 for such a fun topic. There’s not enough of these.

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141392
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    @Sintra

    The Concorde was not a failure. It flew til 2003 and 911 regulations and the resulting depression in the industry grounded it.

    The crashes were not its fault most of the time. It had a good safety record.

    in reply to: Not building the B-70 when we could have was really dumb #2141397
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    @Mig 31.

    The B 52 is not a bomb truck. Its a bomb hay wagon. The B 70, if configured to just be a bomb truck, would have been more efficent. Hard not to be.

    I agree with the poster. The B 52 still has doggy low bypass engines ffs.

    in reply to: Eurofighter crash in Spain. #2141401
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    Whats with western ejection systems lately ? A few have failed recently.

    Yet a lowly Syrian bailed out of a poorly maintained tu 22 after being shot down

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2142812
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    @Ohhshiny

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in Britain, said nine children were among those killed as they tried to cross the river aboard rafts, escaping from areas where Russian-backed regime forces are battling the Islamic State group.

    The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is quoted as though it were the most authoritative source of information to be found in Syria. Such “luminaries” as the Huffington Post, VICE, Reuters, CNN , Fox and nearly all of the mainstream media have been caught citing this website verbatim, without so much as questioning the reliability of this singular source.

    Abdel Rahman is the “director” of the SOHR, though it is quite uncertain if he actually has anyone to “direct” as nobody else is known to work for/with him. He works from his two-bedroom Coventry home in the UK; this is why you keep seeing the Mainstream media call him a “London-based monitoring group“. It’s quite funny, really, calling this one man a “London-based monitoring group” in the same vein as The Red Cross.

    Check out its wiki page, it says the same thing. It also reveals that there are really two SOHR websites, both of which seem to hate each other, and both claim that the other had stolen the idea/entire website from the other.

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    @FBW

    Oh we know that.. The UAE is still and will probably always be a western arms purchaser. But any sale, especially of a top line fighter, even just a small squad, is a big win. And something to feel quite good about.

    A purchase like this will raise the standing of the su 35.

    This does expose the apparent conundrum that the US is in with regard to Israel. Israel wants top line stuff like the F 35 but then the Gulf countries cant get them. Israel should have built their own airframe or something.

    Then again maybe this purchase is something that both the UAE and Russia wanted to do, to get the feel of each other for this new 5th gen idea. And that idea is presumably in the works because they want 5th gen and the west wont provide them.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2142965
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    @haavarla

    The most visible addition to the BM/BSM variant was the rear-view periscope added above the front cockpit canopy.[2] The MiG-31BМ’s maximum detection range for air targets was increased in the upgrade to 320 km (189 for stealth). It had the ability to automatically track up to ten targets, and the latest units can track up to 24 targets and simultaneously engage up to 8 targets.[82] The on-board Argon-K computer selects four targets of highest priority, which simultaneously are engaged by long-range R-33S air-to-air missiles. Infrared search is interfaced with radar and is designed for passive search of the airspace, and for the targeting of R-40TD and R-60 thermal guidance missiles.[citation needed]

    The basic difference between earlier versions and the MiG-31BM[83][84] is that the MiG-31BM can act as a small airborne early warning aircraft. Onboard equipment provides interaction with surface-to-air missile units and can function as an airborne command post to coordinate the actions of other types of fighters with less powerful[clarification needed] radars.[15][unreliable source?]

    The flight-navigation equipment of the MiG-31 includes a complex of automatic control system SAU-155МP and sighting-navigation complex KN-25 with two inertial systems and IP-1-72A with digital computer, electronic long range navigation system Radical NP (312) or A-331, electronic system of the long-range navigation A-723. Distant radio navigation is carried out by means of two systems: CHAYKA (similar to the system of Laurent) and «Route» (similar to the system of Omega

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2142969
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    LOA nozzles. How bout that… They do have jig saws in China.

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