(previous post didn’t contain a serious vulgarity but did trip the sensor)

Anyway @ Mrmalay No. I don’t think Europe agrees with US 5-6 gen philosophy. Rumors of US 6gen say that the jet will be even slower and be even more reliant on stand off weapons/stealth.

The Euro fighter is a rocket ship and the French jets are pretty spunky too. I think they want to go faster and be more manuverable along with better data/stealth ect.

@Deino

Well. People are talking about Europe’s fighters. Seems related to the topic for me. Arguments die out naturally. There’s no reason to step in.

People seem to want to make every thread as boring and wooden as the Military aviation news thread. Yeah. That thread is always on topic. Never any swearing or argument. But just imagine the whole forum was like that thread. It would be tragically boring.

@Vnomad

Most today’s users inherited their Mig-29 fleets form the 80ies or early 90ies.

And they elected to keep using them. They did not sell them off or scrap them.

Isn’t it enough to raise some question about Mig-29’s future?

I see it as the opposite. Many of the biggest users are still in good relations with Russia. (India, Belarus, Kazakistan, Iran, Iraq ect)

With the Mig 35, they can purchase a brand new jet with 5th gen avionics, thrust vectoring and the latest tech, that will fit seamlessly into their existing simulation, maintenance and hangar programs. Pilots will already be versed in the jet as well.

So many of these countries will eventually need replacement fighters and I just don’t see many of them being dumb enough to start from rock bottom with an entirely different brand.

Oh and this.

Like your underline message is that the Flanker concept and design also is flawed..
And the [B]the only effective and correct judge of things is which side produced and exported the most.

[/B]

The Shah of Iran was basically forced to buy 60 Tomcats so yeah. That certainly is a flaw in the theory

@ Vnomad

Most of which retain MiG-29s in limited quantities of which an even smaller number are actually airworthy. Not exactly a fitting analogue to the F-16. Outside of the former-Soviet states, the only major operators are India & Poland

Ukraine has 80 Mig 29’s. Uzbekistan has 60. Iran has 40. Kzakistan has 40. North Korea 31. Burma 31

There are tons of them out there operating. The theory going around that they are dying on the vine and that there will never be a market for the Mig 35 is just bunk. Most of these air forces will do the practical thing and buy a replacement that all of their infrastructure is built around.

@ TR1

Works well for constant disinformation though.

Military jets, whether its fighter, transport, rotary or anything, are famous for being way late and over budget ect. Happened with the Raptor and the F 35 too. Still happening with the F 35 in fact. And throughout the whole process, air forces and the manufacturer, in the US , EU or Russia, lead the public on about specifics, time tables ect.

To say that the Pak Fa is some special case and that there’s a real injustice here , with Cold War 2.0 buzzwords and all, (disinformation) is just nonsense.

Russia must be bombing hospitals intentionally in Syria, because they served up some “disinformation”about when the Pak Fa was supposed to be in service.

Originally came here to post this. Since there is constant skepticism about Russia’s order books. “who buyin the Mig 35 brah ? Nobody”

Russia’s Rosoboronexport state arms exporter at the end of the year will exceed 50 percent, Rosoboronexport said Wednesday citing Director General Alexander Mikheev.

Over the past five years, the share of aircraft supplies in the total exports of the company was about 45 percent.

“We note a surge in demand for combat jets. Its share in the total volume of Rosoboronexport supplies will exceed 50 percent in 2017. At the same time, the company successfully delivers products to other branches of armed forces as well.

@Seperonx

You are 100% right. China sat back like a b*tch even at the most diplomatically and militarily intense moments of this war. There could have been points in this war where all could have been lost. And Russia sure could have used some diplomatic backup. But nope. China cowered in the corner. Now they are waltzing out to pocket the loot.

Iran already shafted Russia on Sukhoi Superjets. Even though Russia saved their ass too.
(dead)
http://ifpnews.com/exclusive/iran-inks-deal-russia-buy-several-sukhoi-100-jets-report/