^ It is indeed surprising to see how far along the carriers are yet they have so few of these jets. Which aren’t ideal for carriers anyway + the cloning process.

China should have had a better relationship with Russia by making it clear that they wont just buy 2 and copy carrier jets. They should have ordered a squad or 2 of mig 29 kubs right from the start. But Russia refused.

Maybe they still could. It would be a shame for the carrier program to fall behind because of the jets. But they have to do something.

Or it is simply a faked BS report written in the original report by Minnie Chan from SCMP,

could be. But even if the jets are good, they don’t have enough of them. They have to do something.

Actionjackson said

(his comment suggesting collected data being analysed post mission) they performed analysis of recorded signal data from multiple, distributed receivers. After months of post mission data analysis were able to detect the transition of the source radar from search to lock mode

Look at this. He just takes a vague statement and makes a story about what happened out of whole cloth.

Again. The buzz in the media was that the su 57 deployment was irresponsible and risky. So So Vladimir Gutenev thought it was a good idea to run his mouth and exaggerate how important the Syria trip for the su 57’s was.

The prototypes went there to do this missile test. And so the brass could sit there with their big fancy war room and watch it on the big screens.

Su-57 6º generation?

I had to read many times these articles because i thought it was april fool day in Russia.

I think this man told this after drink 1 or 2 bottles of vodka.

The backbone of the US air force today is a 1976 airframe. But the su 57 can’t be a 6th gen :sleeping:

Military hardware is not consumer goods Rall.

This man tell with other words that they will build few Su-57 because with 4º generation fleet is enough for protect against 5 generation fleet from West.

Stop lies man; if you are going to have few numbers of SU-57 it is only for 2 reasons, or you do not have money for to buy big quantidy of this airplane, or the other option is that this airplane have problems and you do not want buy many until you can fix these problems on airplane.

This sentence of this man can be good for RT and Sputnik readers, for nobody more

You can spin it however you please Rall. Military Watch magazine is not a Russian publication.This was just about explaining what Gutenev meant with his comments. And it is diametrically the opposite of what Falcondude and Actionjackson were saying that he meant by his comments.

they will build few Su-57 because with 4º generation fleet is enough for protect against 5 generation fleet from West

At present the F-35 isn’t out there yet and has years to get the bugs out of it. And the F-22 is a hanger queen. And Russia is ahead of the US in ground air defense capability. Do they mean that in a squad vs squad fight, the su 35 could beat the F-22 ? No. They just mean that the sum of the US and Russia’s strengths and weaknesses, they are comfortable running with what they have + 12 su 57’s for now.

Remember the su 35 has supercruise, 5th gen avionics and 3D TVC

When Su-57 took off they planed +200 for Russian air force,

Every single military program starts off with lofty statements like that. F-22 was no different.

50 before 2021, and then oil price drop plus sanctions, and India probable left program.

Russia could easily afford to build 50 before 2021. There is a big difference between not having “the money” and choosing not to allocate it. They changed the scope of the program for many different factors.

Russia would never put a government budget surplus or foreign exchange reserve goals ahead of the su 57 program if it really thought that it wasn’t near parity with the US now. Especially considering the showdown that Russia and the west are in.

BTW if you don’t believe me:
tass.com/defense/994572

Money is problem.

There is nothing in that link that says anything about the su 57 program. Nothing at all. 12 aircraft was budgeted for at the start. Theres nothing new about the 12 aircraft.

The F-35 is just barely getting out in the field now and the F-22 is mostly a hanger queen. If the su 35 + s400 and the coming s500 wasn’t able to get them close enough to parity , they would find the money for the su 57 if they really needed it. They just would. Is Russia at parity sentimentally ? No. Russia would have to build 150 su 57’s soon to get to sentimental parity.

Show me one economic data point that suggests they couldn’t get money for the su 57 program if they really wanted to ?

Russian FinMin expects budget surplus, not deficit, for 2018

MOSCOW, May 11 (Reuters) – The Russian Finance Ministry expects the budget for 2018 to run a surplus, not a deficit, for the first time since 2011 thanks to rising oil prices, a draft law on the budget showed late on Thursday.

Russian inflation to hit record low this year before 2018 rebound …
https://www.reuters.com/…russia…/russian-inflation-to-hit-record-low-this-year-before…

So we have an article now from Military Watch magazine that references the Vladimir Gutenev statement and obviously , like we already knew, the interpretation by the sophists Falcondude and Actionjackson is just that.

But they will still spin it. I’ll get back to that.

http://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/70750

Quoted from the article:

– The Su-57 program is very much a sixth generation air superiority fighter program, one which at early stages can serve as a high end fifth generation aircraft comparable to the American Raptor – as in the case of the 12 initial production production variants ordered by the Air Force, but ultimately the Russian military began the program with a greater end in mind.

-The end goal of the Su-57 is to be able to go head to head with the American sixth generation air superiority fighter currently being developed to replace the Raptor under the F/A-XX next generation air dominance fighter.

-Further enhancements to electronic warfare capabilities and radar jamming, stealth, next generation engines, the use of hypersonic and energy weapons and the deployment of defensive missile blinding lasers are among the systems which a completed sixth generation variant of the Su-57 is likely to deploy.

-Unlike the Su-57, the F-22 is a purely fifth generation fighter and has seen little invested in its modernization.

-Russia doesn’t need a massive Su-57 fifth generation fleet to protect itself or maintain parity with the Western Bloc at present, but it will in the not too distant future have considerable need for a sixth generation air superiority fighter capable of matching the upcoming American platform.

Now. Here is how the sophists will spin it.

The article also says this:

Russia’s cutting edge air defense network and its heavily upgraded ‘4++’ generation fighter fleet, backed up by advanced electronic warfare technologies which are reportedly heavily relied on to compensate for a lack of stealth, are more than enough to retain sufficient parity with the Western Bloc that they will be cautious about challenging the Russian fleet openly – in Syria, Eastern Europe, the Pacific or elsewhere.

^They will say that the “lack of stealth” that is written here, INCLUDES the coming batch of 12 su 57’s. But it does not. Because before that sentence, it says this : “It is first critical to understand that at present Russia has no urgent need for the Su-57”. So no. The “lack of stealth, does not imply that the Russian force will lack stealth with the first batch of su 57’s. Even though that’s what Falcondue and Action Jackson will say.

^IMO China should have just bought Mig 29kubs right from the start instead of home building su 33’s

The FC 31 was always a carrier bound jet. China always lies to keep the pundits off balance. Why else would an expensive jet like that be developed ? It wasn’t developed just as a side project for export.

Not a single article has been written about this. Because there is nothing here. You and Action Jackson are making propaganda out of whole cloth.

You have started a small propaganda brush fire. Tyler Rogoway might find this thread and make an article about it.