There just must be a systemic flaw in the translation from Rus to English. Or maybe it’s the perma negative bias of all things Russia by the Western media.

Last time I checked, there are more nations currently with Mig 29’s in service than there is of F-16’s in service.

Yes some nations are not replacing their aging Mig 29 fleets with the new version. But some are.

There are potential future markets in Iraq, Iran or even North Korea. The US is also getting very stingy-attaching sanctions and conditions on military exports. This is good for the prospects of the Mig 35.

But the doom narrative on the Mig 29-35 line will just continue

I can’t see how this sophistry from Action Jackson doesn’t count as blatant trolling which is against the forum rules.

Taking a poorly worded and translated rambling from an industry union mouth piece & claiming that he is saying that the Pak Fa is a failed program in the same week that the actual planned 1st order was signed, is trolling.

Almost 15 years after the F-22 Raptor became operational, the backbone of the USAF are still 4th gen F-16 and F-15 fighters. Anyone who’s getting in a tizzy because the su 57 isn’t going to be mass produced in 2018 , just isn’t taking this into consideration.

Alright, let’s clear some air here.

* Su-57 is to replace current T-10 platform (Su-27, 30, 35), with 35 being the last of the model.

* Su-57 is nearly ready for full production. It has only to wait on the engines. NPO ISTOk has already produced over 25,000 T/R modules from an interview over a year ago (so much more now) and so their radar system has been more than ready.

* We don’t know the cost of per plane until we see a contract signed. Su-35 is at the ~$30M per plane mark much like majority of the other jets (Su-34, 30, MiG-35). Su-57 will be more costly at first but will eventually drop to the lower end in near future.

* Some are dreaming of 6th gen, but we don’t really know what 6th gen is yet so no point talking about it.

* Current plan is for 12 Su-57’s by 2025. That number can easily change since nothing is in writing.

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The su 57 is the su 27 of the future. No hurry.

The F-22 is the future of nothing. Because it was a terribly planned program.

Bellum said

Same goes for FalconDude who somehow considered Su-57 thread a fitting place for fake news about Iran’s Khamenei firing Air Defense Force chief because of imaginary F-35 stunts.

Its all about their phony narrative. They think that stealth means achieving invisibility and the F-35 airshow in the bulls eye of the s300 is supposed to prove that the F-35 is invisible. And since the engine cowling on su 57 isn’t painted, it means that the su 57 isn’t stealth.

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Why don’t you help us with the obvious first and just tell us who these people (Gutenev etc) are and why you have no faith in their statements?
Would they have access to such information? Do they have a history of “talking out of their ass” or are generally respectable?

He is a mouth piece that gets trotted out to huff and puff about the Russian economy and Russia in general . Which proves that you and Action Jackson have interpreted this completely backwards.

Russia is capable of building its own equivalent of Mistral-class helicopter carrier equipped with nuclear power engines as Moscow is aware of the design of the French-made ship, deputy chairman of the Russian State Duma’s Committee on Industry[B] Vladimir Gutenev told RIA Novosti.[/B]

Sanctions imposed by the United States and the European Union against Russia contradict the principles of the World Trade Organization, First Deputy Chairman of State Duma Committee on Industry Vladimir Gutenev said Monday.

Vladimir Gutenev, a senior Russian lawmaker, stated that Swiss lawmakers were keenly interested in the terms and principles of a competition between tank crews and the ability to use their combat vehicles.

Vladmir Gutenev, deputy chair of the State Duma’s economic policy and business committee, noted that Siemens “does not have a monopoly on technology, and there is a fairly wide range of proposals from other countries, including in Southeast Asia.”

Its unfortunate that the person responsible for the deletion of the last su 57 thread, has just reposted what got the thread deleted in the first place. And another sophist has expanded on it.

The thread got deleted because someone (falcondude) posted some politically charged partisan nonsense about the su 57.

If you want the threads to last, stop posting politically charged nonsense.

Vintage ActionJackson making something out of totally nothing. The point of what he was saying is that they did some very rigorous testing in Syria. Because the defense dept was being challenged for brining the su 57 to Syria at all. That is the context of why he was saying this.