^You could be right. Russia has no designs on the blue water. A Chinese blue water navy would serve them better than the USA does. The sooner that the USN has a counter balance out there, the better. But yes maybe they draw the line at subs
More like Seawolf or Virginia style designs. I believe the US is 1.5+ generations ahead of the PRC when it comes to SSN quietening. PRC has a very quiet SSK in the 039B(C?) but not when it comes to SSN. 093A/B are probably between LA 688 and 688i (Just my speculation) while the rest of the world has Seawolf, Virginia, Astute, Yasen etc.
Russia is on par or better in sub tech and it would probably sell its expertise to China.
I thought the sanctions on Russia had to do with the problems in Ukraine, Syria and supposed election interference. China is not involved in any of those AFAIK. Besides, this is military tech espionage. They do that all the time.
The Magnitsky Act was signed into law by Obama in 2012 which was the first salvo in the new cold war.
The US has shown that it is willing to lie through its teeth against great power rivals. Wapo is a propaganda sheet. Josh Rogin has connections directly with the cia and military. They are setting China up for sanctions.
China is probably not blatantly stealing all of this stuff and leaving tracks all the way back to China. But it makes for good propaganda while China is modernizing and building a blue water navy
^Yeah I like that idea too. Russia and China should swap these birds.
^crosswind much ?
And is that grey Egypt Mig ever a nice change from that tan camo.
Reliance on Russian aviation design prowess has not played well for the Indian’s FGFA. The Russian design bureaus could not pay their engineers in the 1990s so they all quit. For many their income was higher if they drove a taxi cab. When they left, the Russian design bureaus lost the expertise needed to field a workable weapon system. After the T-50 prototype rollout, the Russians seem to struggle with maturing it into an operational airplane.
Will the Russians suddenly develop the skills to help Turkey develop an airplane for a new aircraft carrier? I doubt it. Best to check with Dassault and see if they will sell Ms.
Russian design bureau’s weren’t getting things done in the 90’s..yeah.
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The Soviets were doing this a long time ago. Small STOVL carriers seems to be the trend these days. UK, Japan and now Turkey wants to do it this way.

The Yak is an interesting idea. The jet didn’t go into production only because there wasn’t enough committed buyers. It was a finished project. All of the blueprints and re for the jet are probably available.
collaborating with Russia on a naval Su-57
That’s a good idea. It looks like, from what bayer posted, that Turkey’s whole MIC is like the Russia model so I think it would work good.
Turkey should have scooped those used Harriers if this carrier was in the works
The Harrier wasn’t supersonic.
In the spirit of these copy accusations , it works. I can go on all day about how the tu 160 isn’t a copy of the B1A but you wont care.
^Nonsense Spudman. The US reframed the argument to make it about the nozzle. Its not about the nozzle. Its about the jet. The size, the mission scope and the general capability. That was manifested in the Yak first.
I’m a Russia jet fan but why does this comparo always get made ? The Mig 23 was one heavy ugly dangerous machine. And there’s lots of other aircraft to compare to
It would be fun to see this happen. But unfortunately the Turkish president is making it difficult for the economy.
The su 57 will eventually slowly replace the su 27 Flanker. It will be the Flanker family of the future.
^Didn’t take long
April 25, 2018 at the Turkish airport of Antalya, the International Air Show Eurasia Airshow begins its work. On the first day of the air show “UAC – commercial aircraft” signed two agreements with Iranian airlines on the SuperJet 100 aircraft. Alexander Rubtsov, president of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, told us about the details of these agreements and the program for creating a new version of the Superjet RRJ75.
People must have really thought they were living in the future when that Draken thing came out. That thing looks space age.