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October 23, 2016 at 7:10 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2184881

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I think there is a less colourful way of saying it, like “mirage 2000 has had more accidents than you initially thought, but the accident rate should not be unexpected given the number of mirage 2000 aircraft that have been produced and it’s overall length of service”.

Saying one plane is more “dangerous” than the other can present the opportunity for unnecessary disagreement, redirector on this forum.

Where do the engines for the Mirage 2000 come from ?

October 23, 2016 at 7:09 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2184928

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Engines aside, Russia imports far more from China and relies a lot on Exports to China for its GDP. for China, Russia is only a small part of both import and export.
China has some new engines coming out that will end the need for Russian engines, the last area where it imports from Russia.

China fans don’t care about Russia beyond its Russian fan boys.
China’s enemy has been and always been Japan and lately, South Korea.

I refrain from responding to his mutterings about the economy.

He addresses zero of the points I made about the subject at hand and reverts back to talking about….. the… economy.

Then he will say that my silence is just proof that the Russian economy blah blah blah.

October 23, 2016 at 3:40 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2185252

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No, but that wasn’t my point. My point is against certainty without sound, strongly supported reason.

I wouldn’t, actually. I’m not a believer in nationalism.

No, but that wasn’t my point.

But that is your point. On one hand, you want to defer to common sense for my claim about the F 35. And on the other, you claim that no conclusion can be reached.

I wouldn’t, actually. I’m not a believer in nationalism.

Nationalism has nothing to do with it. If someone shorter than you, made fun of you for being short and claimed to know more about being tall than you, you’d be conflicted and perturbed by it.

October 23, 2016 at 3:12 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2185397

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thank you, its quite obvious it is 20 meters!
You are also 100% correct that some Russian aviation fanboys have this air of supremacy about themselves and can’t admit that China has caught up or even surpassed MiG or Sukhoi in many fields.
Russia and China are allies. China is the only one who stood by Russia when the west turned its back. China is the one keeping Russia’s economy afloat. Please be more respectful of your big brother.

Here he is tossing in total malarkey about Russia’s economy again. Then I will put to rest all of these wrong headed claims and then get accused of “chest pumping” for the Russian economy.

As for the rest of the post; wake me up when China stops crawling to Russia to buy engines. It is such a ridiculous claim that its not even worth accessing until China can power its own fighters.

And the Russian engines of the J20 would probably slip most peoples minds if the China fans picked a real enemy

October 23, 2016 at 3:07 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2185414

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It is dishonest to claim the J-20 is any length without also acknowledging we actually don’t know. Regardless of the reasons we think it’s 19 meters or 23 meters, these are all estimations. No one should have any confidence to assert a categorical claim here.

Not that I have a personal dog in this fight (I’m American, actually), but your second paragraph reeks of a “We’re friends only if you think I’m superior mentality”. If I were a Russian nationalist I’d worry about blind spots….

It is dishonest to claim the J-20 is any length without also acknowledging we actually don’t know. Regardless of the reasons we think it’s 19 meters or 23 meters, these are all estimations. No one should have any confidence to assert a categorical claim here.

The F-35 is bigger than the J 20. That’s my claim and nobody should have any confidence to assert any other categorical claim here.

^ Is that the game you really want to play ?

Not that I have a personal dog in this fight (I’m American, actually), but your second paragraph reeks of a “We’re friends only if you think I’m superior mentality“. If I were a Russian nationalist I’d worry about blind spots….

Haha I couldn’t imagine how you, as an American, would feel if Britain was building its own stealth 5th gen aircraft and the Britain fans would not only claim to be further ahead than you in fighter jet expertise but also claim that you, the US, should consider buying the British aircraft because it is superior to the Raptor. All the while, you are providing Britain all of the engines for said aircraft.

You would be tearing your hair out.

I am just politely implying that the whole proposition is laughably ridiculous.

October 23, 2016 at 12:54 am in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXV #2185583

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you can see the yf-23’s ducts here

its quite curved but very short

[img]http://yf-23.net/Pics/Plans/YF-23%20cutawg]

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October 23, 2016 at 12:49 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2185665

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Because information on wikipedia is infallible amiright?

Anyways, I suspect we won’t have to wait for much longer for an official figure. If the upcoming Zhuhai Aerospace Convention will be featuring the J-20 they will probably provide some basic specs.

That said, in before the “China fakes its statistics!” crowd.

It is close enough data that we can assume a few things. Anyone with eyes can see that its a rather big aircraft

What is your approximate guess though ? Do you believe that its shorter than the Pak Fa >?>

October 23, 2016 at 12:32 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2185687

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no, Deino speaks for all of us. And we are sick and tired of Russian nationalists invading our section with their pettiness and jealousy.
They know our J-10 and J-20 are innovative designs. they know the J-20 put significantly more effort in all around stealth not just the front. they know the j-20 will reach service first, even though its first flight was later.
that is why they are so desperate to discredit it with things like being a mig, even though it looks NOTHING like it. or its size. even though all Chinese aviation fans know J-10 is 15m and J-20 is 20m. look it up.

This is just a dishonest statement. You are entitled to claim that the J 20 is a clean slate Chinese design. But you cannot claim that the Pak Fa is bigger than the J 20 or that the J 20 is not similar in length to the Mig 1.44

I would advise you to take a more cordial stance on Russia with regard to the J 20 and save the venom for your American or western critics. Because China and Russia are allies. I never wanted to say anything bad about the J 20 until ppl like you start claiming that China has passed Russia in expertise. When clearly they have not because they still use Russian engines.

October 23, 2016 at 12:08 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2185756

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oh no ! dont bait yet again

There was more than 1 to choose from.

October 22, 2016 at 10:44 pm in reply to: which European country will produce the next manned 5th or 6th generation fighter #2186292

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Maybe Russia could pay SAAB for its next 6th generation fighter?

Russias 6th gen is at the same stage as Saab

October 22, 2016 at 6:49 pm in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2187019

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these are not properly scaled and comes from a brazilian website.
j-20 is closer to 20m, pakfa closer to 22

Sigh…

The lengths coincide with the lengths on Wikipedia for each aircraft.

The J 20 is way bigger than Pak Fa or Raptor and is about the same length as the Mig 1.44. And I wonder why that is…

October 22, 2016 at 6:45 pm in reply to: battle of the sexiest: Rafale or Pak-fa? #2187021

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Rafale hands down. I actually find the PAK-FA rather ugly. Looks like someone went to town with a hammer on a poor Su-27 to make it stealthy. Flankers are by far more beautiful than the PAK-FA.

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The Pak Fa and YF 23 look similar in my books.

If the Raptor evolved into the YF 23, the Pak Fa would be the middle step.

I totally diagree that the Pak Fa looks anything like a flanker. In a flanker, the nose cants down while the engines are stright. In the Pak fa, its the other way around.

October 22, 2016 at 6:32 am in reply to: battle of the sexiest: Rafale or Pak-fa? #2188233

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some of these old Migs deserve an honorable mention. The tails are so streamlined

October 22, 2016 at 6:29 am in reply to: battle of the sexiest: Rafale or Pak-fa? #2188235

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Nothing else come close to sexiness!!! Everyone else are losers! :stupid: 😀
http://www.boxartden.com/gallery/index.php/Machat-article/Northrop/YF-23-Black-Widow

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From the front yeah. But I dunno about the diamond shape wings.

October 22, 2016 at 6:12 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2188268

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ok Jo Asukura, I don’t know why Russian posters keep coming here dismissing Chinese aircraft. A lot of Chinese and non-Chinese like Blitzo enjoy normal conversation and news here and we care about facts

the J-20 is only slightly longer than f-22. it just LOOKS longer because the f-22 has a huge reflective tail. If it had a smaller tail like the j-20, it would also Look long. for example

[img]https://s13.postimg.org/s31w59o0n/f_22/img]

the longest and largest aircraft are always Russian. the PAKFA is longer and bigger than the j-20 and the f-22. especially because of its tandem bays.
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