9th Pak-fa in flight programme, news which we have been waiting for. So pak-fa-59 must be flying. Shame we have not seen any pics of T-50-8. Two non flying prototypes. Hope this is true.

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Hmmm

Yes. Porn thread.

Im going with the Pak Fa but I’d have the French jet in my top 3

You choose a photo looking from a specific angle upward not from frontal aspect, so obviously YF-23 engine will look exposed , but from frontal the engine is covered pretty good.And as said before , the alleged better all aspect stealth of YF-23 is because the lack of tail fin and has nothing to do with intake , it may even have worse frontal RCS compare to YF-22

The claims made about the Pak Fa are all about choosing angles too.

I am not saying that the engine exposure is why the 23 has superior stealth. I am saying that the fact that the 23 shows just as much; if not more engine as the Pak Fa, should put to rest all claims about the so called non stealthness of the Pak Fa because of the engine fan exposure.

And TBH , YF-23 doesnt have more exposed engine fan than PAK-FA

If you don’t think so, then provide evidence that counters this.

Pak-fa is very important for the Russian industry because it allowed them to physically create features of a fifth generation fighter and experience its reality, benefits and limitations. There is much to learn from such an experience.

But we need to face realities too. its gdp is only slightly higher than Australia and growth is in the negatives, meaning it’ll become like Australia and maybe to Spain. It cannot afford the program. It may end up being like India and Tejas. It is a good experience and new knowledge gained. They need to save money now and get the su-35, and then use the knowledge of pak-fa to develop a full 5th generation fighter in the future when the economy is better. China is doing all it can to save the Russian economy. The J-31 is also an option for Russia to consider.

This is all a total fabrication.

How do you figure that Russian stock indexes have made new all time highs since the price of oil fell ?

Russia’s MICEX stock index rallied to all-time record highs today. This is likely very disconcerting for The White House as since the March 2014 lows when they issued the following statement: “If I were you, I wouldn’t invest in Russian equities right now,” Russian stocks are up 60% – tripling the 19% gains in the S&P off those lows…

And what kind of gall must someone have to actually say that Russia should consider the J 31 when Russia is providing the engines for China’s flagship J 20 ?

no, they are very straight. what are you seeing is the intake flaring out. it is similar to bootleg jeans. it flares out on the bottom but it is still straight.
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also note the plethora of areas in red that are not stealthy. framed canopy, circule rounded engines that are untreated and exposed metal like the Flanker, lots of non serrated edges. also the intake to engine is pretty straight

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Also because it is a very flat airplane, and the intake only has enough room for 2 pylons. It is likely the bay can only accommodate 2 air to air missiles at most. no bombs unless they are miniature diameter ones.

All of these claims have been wholly debunked. Re-read the thread from 5 pages ago and educate yourself.

can you link where J-20 show off agility ?

i think he’s talking about this latest video. Watch the jet go off in the distance and then just rocket up into the heavens and does a nifty move

Those video seem accelerated to give perception of agility.

If it had some indigenous engine that we knew nothing about then I wouldn’t be skeptical. But damn does it rocket up