Any idea what the blocker would look like or where in the inlet it will be installed?

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I believe that in order to save money, the USAF took the 2nd place design in the Advanced Tactical Fighter compition. When mached in the Air Superiority Mission, the F-23 design was not only all around MORE Capable than the F-22, but had better upgrade and growth potential, which means that it would have lasted longer as a fromt line aircraft before a replacement will be needed in the future. So what do I base it on?

* Stealth – The YF-23 had better all aspect stealth qualities which makes it More survivable

* Speed- The YF-23 could attack the enemy faster

* Computer Technology- The Air Force stated that the F-22 had more throughly tested computer technology, which suggest the F-22’s computers may be based on older technology (Useing older, but more proven technology is a trademark of the Skunk Works)

Parity with US will be difficult since the Pentagon has been working on Gen 6 for some time.

They have permanently stopped building Raptors and the F 35 is a joke. So I don’t think parity is out of the question.

Russia is working on 6th gen too. 6th gen stuff is just one upsmanship

pak-fa is probably has a lower rcs than the rafale. it gives them a clear edge over any pakistani fighter. rafale.. maybe but not that clear.
against china? yeah I think pak-fa can own the j-20 no problem.

that said, they should probably work with dassault for amca, not sukhoi.

Probably ? haha sigh…

So these two distances are the same? Fine, I just wanted a second opinion. (Note, you have to maybe adjust your monitor to see the round shape inside the inlet and the yellow segments that break it up)

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this is exactly what is confusing. It does not look that deep on any of the front shots. Its not even close. And especially the angle with the red ladder in the way. But it is just an optical illusion.

Some people like Berkut need to calm TF down. This is a new jet. Of course it will take time to figure the thing out.

Then we clearly disagree as is looks like IGV is within the spitting distance of the LPC. And it clearly has cone.

1; Has cone.
2; Has the exact correct number of vanes for IGV.
3; Is correct distance wise.
4; Conclusion; apparently not IGV.

K. Anyway i am giving up on this discussion, it has been regurgitated million times at this point.

Ok great.

Just because you can see it, does not exclude the jet from being stealth

It also does not mean that it has no S ducts

Yes but my point was that in the T-50 it seems to sit further ahead. I mean I know one shouldn’t judge distances on,photos but the photo Jo in particular posted seems to be way more forward than the face of the LPC. I mean how long can the 117s be?

And my question was wouldn’t the air flow be upset by moving the IGV so much forward?

That picture is what is causing all the uproar. It clearly looks like the fan stage is too close. Hence why there was allegations about photo shopping.

I guess it is just an optical illusion.

the fan boys can’t decide whether it has s-ducts or not. one half is like, yes it has s-ducts.. the other half says we don’t need s-ducts we got something better (but we really have no proof, we just assume they did because sukhoi so smart). You can see our schizo bacon clone (probably same people) change his story a bunch of times and spam a bunch of russian language documents he can’t even read. its no different than LEG and Picard. people will figure out the bs, no matter how much junk info you throw.

What have you figured out ? Are you claiming that it doesn’t have S ducts ? You claim that is does not have S ducts because the engine face is visible at some angles. This claim is BS

And your claim that this excludes the jet from being stealth is also BS.

No, obviously. Why did manufacturers start using S-ducts? (P.S., it was not in military aircraft) It had nothing to do with stealth or NCTR.

it was to do with the location of tri engines.

This design is approached by some aircraft manufacturers for their trijet aircrafts to get less drag and lowering the engine position compared to straight through design. This design also allows a shorter fin and a rudder closer to longitudinal axis. But due to its curved shape engine performance is comprimised.

Looks to me like the designers split the difference Pak Fa.

(assuming that these pics are showing the first stage of the engine)

It is clear though , that some Raptor fan boys believe that these obscure pics that claim to show the 1st stage of the engine, exclude the Pak Fa from being a stealth jet.