They could fly the demonstrator(s) with a M88 derivative design. If the SCAF is scheduled to enter into service in the 2030s that leaves enought time to develop the new engine for series production aircraft.
There is one western engine I think that could make an interesting prospect for replacing J85s, that is Turbomeca’s Larzac. It’s quite small, inlet is basically the same size as a J85(per Wiki, might be wrong), weighs around 290-300 kg. In the alpha jet it makes 14 kN, but there was a higher powered FADEC version with close to 17 kN, dry, that was proposed as an upgrade. Adding an afterburning section should not be a major problem and should see it developing close to 30 kN of thrust. It would still weigh slightly more than a pair of J85s, but would offer better SFC and more thrust.
But, J85s are cheap and plentiful and still supported by GE and they do work.
Also announced that all Mi-8 and probably even newer Mi-17 will be replaced by Blackhawks. Deal should proceed later this year.
Most soviet era and russian equipment will be phased out due to the West’s political tensions with russia, unreliable suppliers and problems during and after refits.
I’ll find some pictures of refurbished MiGs and post them here.
In the meantime, MOD confirmed today that they are proceeding with the purchase of 16 OH-58D Kiowas from USAF.
the latest news regarding CroAF
The MiGs that were refurbished in Ukraine are very slowly being accepted into service but some have still not have been seen flying regularly since being returned from Ukraine.
In the meantime, the politicians have agreed on the need to replace the MiGs and the plan is to enter into procurement procedure next year. However, since Croatia is in dire economical situation only 400 mil. euros is available for the purchase.
Candidates are used F-16, Gripen(used/new/leased/cooperation with hungary and czech republic), used Mirage(presumably 2000), KAI FA-50 and IAI Kfir Block 60.
Croatian air force is, basically, gone.
Most of MiGs are in Ukraine, 5 months late from a refit by a shady company. Nobody knows when or even if those planes will return and the current situation in Ukraine is not helping.
AFAIK, as of now, only 2 MiGs of those left in Croatia are in flying condition, and those will need to stop flying in about a month as they run out of flying hours.
There is no money for new or even used fighters, in several past years hardly any new pilots have been recruited so there’s actually not that many pilots left.
Pilots fly so rarely that only a few certified for simulated combat(by a few it seems only about 2)
I don’t expect croatian air force to keep flying any supersonic jets in the future.
Look up SR-71 and Iron Ball Paint. Same as or very similar to paint used on F-117.
Thanks 🙂
They can go to 8000 but many airframes are over 7000 already.
I’ve seen reference to 10 000 hours for German F-4ICE(6000h basic + 4000h after the upgrade).
If true, that would mean some 2000-3000h available which is by no means bad for CroAF.
Anyway these Phantoms are already ~40 years old and have long exceeded their 4000 h design life time.
Don’t forget that the German ICE Phantoms have also had airframe upgrades and changes adding further 4000 hours.
Can’t be practical. I could see them operating twenty F-5’s, not F-4’s. Must be a mistake.
20 F-4s of which a good number would be used for parts. Probably some 10-12 flying.
I thought all the G-4’s were supposed to go back to Serbia.
No, they only got 6(for now). 7 G-4s were bought by a company in Croatia and they are now supposedly being overhauled in Slovenia.
Did they come to some agreement saying Montenegro would keep some?
Nobody really knows what Montenegro intends to do. A while ago they were saying they will not operate jets in the future but now it seems they want to keep a small number of G-4s. Still, nothing is official.
Montenegro has kept 4 G-4s
I believe 5 or 6 G-4s were transferred to Serbian Air Force, while 7 G-4s were sold to a private entity in Croatia.
If they are thinking of following that format for procurement it most certainly wont be for used jets.
Maybe… but I find the mentioning of Turkey suspicious that it would be ex-turkish F-16s.
Because, as of now, Turkey is committed to buying F-35s and there is no chance in hell either of the three smaller states could afford them(buying together or alone), even if given free. So I see no other reason to mention Turkey as part of the deal unless they are the ones supplying the jets.
First picture of Helsinkis in croatian colours 🙂
RTOP-41 Vukovar
RTOP-42 Dubrovnik

Croatian MOD has just posted 4 nice pictures of Helsinkis being loaded on a ship to Croatia 🙂
http://www.morh.hr/vijesti_main.asp?id=1779
