[QUOTE=BZZZ;1672548]Lula will no longer decide on FX-2. He said he will leave the decision to Dilma, exactly what Marinho said a week ago.
This is what I thought months ago ! Dilma will try to take few hundred million Euro’s additionally from Dassault’s bottom-line and put it directly onto Brazilian taxpayers. She knows how desperate Dassault is..
Sure. Especially if we compare the number of actual combat missions flown, too. :diablo:
The crash rate of Rafale ( 4 ) is unacceptable .. This incident could have severe consequences for Brazil and UAE ..Wrong crash at wrong time …This is not good…Its a bad omen…
It doesn’t hurt anything. We just warned you that this source is very biaised.
Glitter. . It a common knowledge that French Press and French pilots
widely exaggerate the results of mockup fights everytime when their fighters prevail ..Why should we believe that a source is biased when a French fighter is beaten..Doesn’t make any sense.
It is really sad to see the desparate situation Dassault is in..They need the President of France to act as interim Sales Manager ..
Stop the press! Last minute news :
Brazil to get Rafales much sooner than expected!!!ttp://www.fab.mil.br/portal/operacoes_aereas/cruzex5/index
Good day all, Tay.:D
Don’t count on that pal..Dilma could always decide to go different way in order to show she is not LULU’s puppet..Nothing is sure until a contract is signed..LULA will not do anything until she is officially sworn in.
Bypass ratio and engine pressure ratio are transposed in the table
Yes..You are right !
The awesome performance of Pratt&Whitney’s engine makes the other two look like toys.
Bad omen? NO
Bad politics; Yes!
They have been acting the chauvinistic “we have the best technical product and if you don’t buy it then you are just an idiot” style
They ruined their opportunities with one of the Magreb countries (don’t exactly remember which one” assuming that this was such loyal customer they took them for granted. It costed them a Rafale and a series of helicopters sale
They got India angry not bothering sending a Rafale to Indian airshows at a crucial moment
Dassault and the french government used to “work” without much coordination on the persuasion of future clients… giving conflicting messages.
and their marketing is just unbelievely bad; just look at one example:
If you want info on the gripen, then type http://www.gripen.com in your browser
For the eurofighter try http://www.eurofighter.com
For the Rafale please type:
http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/rafale/omnirole-by-design.html?L=1
I know that this is only a detail. It is also highly unprofessional for an organisation trying to sell a 60? million euro thingy on the open market.
Rafales chances in India is virtually ZERO .Source FT….
India will turn increasingly to US defence products to secure its borders and wider interests, top Indian officials have said ahead of a visit by Barack Obama, US president, next month.
The desire for a closer defence partnership comes as New Delhi considers an $11bn deal to buy 126 multi-role combat fighter jets to rearm India’s out-of-date air force and boost defence capabilities against Pakistan and China.
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Indian defence chiefs reassess Asian threats – Oct-24.Kashmir a Himalayan test of US diplomacy – Oct-24.Japan and India meet as China fears grow – Oct-24.Disappointment at team to ease Kashmir tension – Oct-13.Washington pins hopes on India fighter deal – Sep-30.Opinion: Prosperity can buy peace in Kashmir – Aug-17..Lockheed Martin and Boeing are among six foreign companies competing for the sale.
India is one of the world’s largest arms bazaars with a military budget of Rs1,420bn ($32bn). Mr Obama’s visit will be followed this year by those of Nicolas Sarkozy, France’s president, and Demetri Medvedev, Russia’s prime minister. Both would like to supply India.
The Indian army is the third largest in the world, with 1.1m soldiers in active service. India ranks third after Russia and China as one of the fastest growing defence spenders.
Top Indian officials say defence co-operation and the purchase of equipment is a key part of the strategic dialogue between New Delhi and Washington. They say their potential purchase of military equipment from the US is important for the American economy at a time when the administration needs to create jobs to overcome an unemployment crisis.
However, people familiar with the bidding process for the fighter jets say any decision is unlikely until mid-2011 and will in large part depend on sealed bids by the defence groups that will determine the price of any transaction.
In addition, the attractiveness of the US offers could be affected by India’s reluctance to sign technical agreements with the US that would allow transfer of navigation and targeting technology.
Some Indian officials have expressed misgivings about acquiring equipment that is “interoperable” with the US, for fear of aligning New Delhi too closely with Washington.
US defence sales to India have risen steadily, with Robert Gates, defence secretary, saying India’s decisions concern not just equipment but relations between the two countries.
Mr Obama is expected to conclude a deal to buy 10 C-17 transport aircraft from Boeing as part of a package worth as much as $3.5bn.
Last year, India agreed to buy eight long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft from Boeing, its largest acquisition of military hardware from the US. The $2.1bn purchase of P-81 Poseidon aircraft highlighted the possibilities opened up by a
An enviable contract..The competitors (France,Britain Russia ) must have been consumed by jealousy…
Yes it is. The French do not seem to be able to sell that beautiful bird.
What is it?? bad omen ? probably because the swiss have also postponed the decision until 2015 ..
Now its official..Rafale will be announced winner in October..
Ah, one last thing, since i stumbled again upon it. Of course in a forum nobody asks you an ID, so take it as you like.
User “Pacos” post # 94:
Of course it is understandable that being a Mirage engineer, he probably has a bias towards them. But still, it’s interesting. He is sure entitled to have an opinion on the subject more than i do.
Absolutely.. Emotional attachments are always there.. I can’t agree with this one :
”On the other side the main advantage of the F16 was the engine and the radar. The radar no more”
Oh yes , Radar more than ever … If he compares Block 52+ with M2K-5 I can’t say .. But Block 60′ s AESA radar vis-a-vis Mirage 2000-5 ?? that would be too much ..
I enjoyed reading your posts Aspis… Incisive and objective..
Fortunately i am not here desperate to sell it to you. :
I wrote a very long post explaining things, you stopped in the first 2 lines… What should i do? Rewrite it again?
Again by weird coincidence the same goverment ordered 15 Mirage2000-5 (75% of a squadron) and the upgrade of 10 of the old Mirage2000, leaving 20 Mirage2000 without upgrade. by now. 😀
I know you won’t buy my story, it’s ok, i don’t buy your either. So we ‘re even.
No, I already read your post .. Look ,I just said I would not buy the price arguments .I didn’t mean anything else.
Regarding these 15 Mirage’s ordered around the year 2000, I already posted the following statement :
The acceptance of the last 15 new Mirage 2000-5 MK2 the HAF ordered in 2000 had been postponed for years due to ICMS EW problems. Not to mention the serious RDM problems the HAF had to deal with when they first received their M 2000’s..
My position overall on this issue is and has always been that Mirage 2000assembly line was shut down in 2006, because it coudn’t compete with F-16The Viper has driven the Mirage out of business because it was considered a much better multirole fighter and better value for money by all the potential customers. ..Had Dassault received further orders after 2006 ,he would have continued to produce the Mirage regardless of the situation with RAFALE..
1) In Greece, as in most countries that have some trouble, virtually all weapons purchases, have political ramifications.
2) In 2009, even if the greek goverment wanted to buy Mirage, the production line was closed.
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They would not have ordered the Mirage .. That’s the point .They ordered 30 F-16’s in 2005 instead of Mirage . The Mirage 2000 assembly line was in full operation and I am sure Dassault was doing everything to strike a deal when the order for Viper was placed… Aspis, what do you think ? I mean if the Mirage was so good as you say ( scaring the sh…t out of Turkish F-16 pilots ) why the Greek government has choosen the Viper?? dont tell me it was because the Mirage was more expensive because I wont buy it .