Brazil is certainly interested in nuclear and other high technology sectors, but so far as I am aware there is no indication that FX-2’s industrial objectives extend beyond aerospace technologies. Indeed it would make much more sense to link nuclear technologies to the French-Brazilian SSN program…

Brazil’s wide-ranging interests are one of the reasons I favour Rafale for FX-2, and deprecate Gripen’s chances despite its excellent operational suitability, in that it serves as one element in a comprehensive industrial-strategic partnership. Of course there is a counter-vailing argument that Brazil should avoid becoming too dependent on any single vendor, both for strategic and economic reasons, and this is certainly a significant factor for India, but I don’t think it will play the same way in Brazil. If Brazilian military spending was double or more what it is, things would be different and it would make sense to play the Russians, French, Americans, etc. off against each other and obtain the best deal for each respective niche, but with limited funding and operational ambitions I think the benefits of smooth integration e.g. future carrier aircraft with future carrier, favour sticking with a single vendor, and that as such continuing and deepening the already extensive engagement with France is the best way forward.

Considering the current economic situation in Brazil, I don’t think Brazil would order anything soon.Besides,they are not in hurry.

I see, you select what proves your heavily loaded opinions. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a biased page as http://www.scientistsandfriends.com/jets1.html

Try looking up A.A Griffiths “An Aerodynamic Theory of Turbine Design” published in 1926.

Well ,I can provide another 10 links and you will call all of them as biased as long as they don’t recognize F.Whittle as the inventor.
The fact is and this is shared by the worlds scientific community that Frank Whittle didn’t invent the jet engine, he simply built the first British jet engine.
The jet engine or the Gas Turbine as a principle has existed long before him .

In France, Maxime Guillaume was issued a patent for the use of an axial-flow turbojet engine to power an aircraft in 1921, he didn’t have the money or the materials available to build it.

Hungarian mechanical engineer Albert Fonó filed a patent in Germany in 1928 for several jet engine designs, including a turbojet. Germany was obviously the wrong country to do that .. The American Rocket Society reviewed Fonó’s patents in 1960 and acknowledged him as the inventor of the jet engine.

The fact is that Nazi Germany in 1930’s and 1940’s was miles ahead of Britain in almost every field of science engineering and technology .
Even the cavity magnetron was invented by a German ,Hans Erich Hollmann in 1935 long before the Birmingham university professors John Randall and Henry Boot can provide valid links proving that but why bother.

Typhoon needs a in service AESA and also in service Meteor missile to be competitive in current market.

AESA is now a basic requirement for any likely purchase. Meteor missile likely wont be purchased in initial purchase but the capability would be factored into consideration for the future. Typhoon with ASEA and Meteor is what puts Typhoon on a equal footing versus US teen planes with AESA and gives it a advantage over them when Meteor is added. Europe’s failure to get AESA into service is crippling Airbus in fighter compititions around the world.

The most serious contender of the Typhoon is and will be the Rafale and not US fighters . After loosing to F-15 in 2002, Dassault decided never to compete in Korea again , otherwise the RAFALE would be in the final again and not Typhoon ..
Typhoon is expected to get its first AESA sometime after 2015 so is it going to be more capable than Rafale’s AESA is the crucial issue here since both fighters will offer the METEOR same time.

The biggest advantage for the F-15SE is :

* Its American, and the US is invested heavily in South Korea’s defence
* Its a platform (F-15K) that the ROKAF already uses
* Its cheaper as a bid as per some reports
* It allows the ROKAF interoperability between the radar developments for their F-15 and F-16 fleet, just as the SABR allows USAF to integrate radar modes developed for the JSF onto the F16, ROKAF can develop common modes for its F-15 and F-16 AESA
* Some SE work and design would be in house

More than enough reasons to chose the F-15SE..

>>Really? So, tell us, mate, how we managed to have the Chain Home system operational in 1935, how we were able to see German raids building up in 1940, and carried out the first aircraft-borne, radar-controlled interception, and kill, in 1940 >>

1921 The invention of the Magnetron as an efficient transmitting tube by the US-american physicist Albert Wallace Hull

1922 The American electrical engineers Albert H. Taylor and Leo C. Young of the Naval Research Laboratory (USA) locate a wooden ship for the first time.

1930 Lawrence A. Hyland (also of the Naval Research Laboratory), locates an aircraft for the first time.

>>Well, mate, I suggest you read up about Bletchley Park, Enigma and Colossus, and how desperate the U.S. was to get involved, but, initially, weren’t trusted because it was felt that their security “system” was too full of holes.>>

Well in the end you didn’t give Americans code braking computers.

To be honest Flood – I sometimes feel the same way about these British aircraft industry “hard done by” stories. British aviation enthusiasts are sometimes very begrudging to the achievements of the US aircraft industry.

If anyone serves flak over British aviation industry missing out on opportunities it’s British politicians – who consistently dashed the prize out of British manufacurers’ hands just when it was within reach.

Britains unhealthy obsession with the USA stems from tremendous success of US commercial aircraft industry back in 1960 until today
707 and DC-8 versus VC-10, Hawker Siddeley Tridents versus B727, BAC-111 versus DC-9
Result: gas guzzling and inefficient Brits completely driven out of the market.. If they had been successful, Airbus would not have existed today..That hurts.

Most advances in US technology from WW2 to the 1950s was ‘borrowed’ from other nations, either as part of the Lease-Lend, or as war booty.
The UK simply handed them the jet engine, radar, code-breaking computers, and angled flight decks, while the swept wing, modern submarine and tank design, and rocketry was taken from captured German equipment.
They also had quite a hand in scuppering other nation’s technological advances post war, like the Avro Arrow and TSR-2, by fiscal blackmail.
An interesting security fact – out of all the countries who spy on the UK, the US is still tops.
‘Essential Relatioship’ anyone?:rolleyes:

Yes embittered and obviously clueless… Radar: You didn’t hand over the radar to Americans mate as a matter of fact, the Americans had the radar before the British ! The SCR-270 (Signal Corps Radio model 270) was one of the first operational early warning radars. It is also known as the Pearl Harbor Radar, that detected the incoming raid about half an hour before the attack commenced and all that before the US joined the War !!!
Jet Engine?? in the beginning yes I would say.. Whitles engine with centrifugal compressor was already outdated before 1950 and replaced by German turbojet with axial compressors which powered the North American Sabre in Korea.
code breaking computer?? never heard about this mate sorry?? sounds absurd .modern submarine ?? are you kidding ?? Germans were leading country in submarine technology when the war ended . Americans handed over to you the nuclear submarine technology in 1958 (US–UK Mutual Defence Agreement ) . HMS Dreadnought was the United Kingdom’s first nuclear-powered submarine with an American built Westinghouse S5W reactor, ring a bell?? TSR- 2 is a vastly exaggerated project never gone anywhere beyond prototype stage, 4 aircraft built , all facing enormous technical problems , none has satisfied the requirements before the labour government has cancelled it .. But you Brits have the ultimate magic recipe..Anytime you guys screw up , blame the yanks !!

An interesting security fact – out of all the countries who spy on the UK, the US is still tops. No, the other way around.. Apache helicopters, AWACS , Trident2 SLBM, Tomahawk cruise missiles all American technology bought by the Brits.
Your gains from this so called essential relationship is far bigger than the Americans.

On what basis? Does China have U.K. and European politicians in their pockets too? France sold Taiwan the Mirages in the first place. I have a hard time believing they would turn down a sale for the rafale.

That was almost 20 years ago when Taiwain bought the Mirage..Today China is in a far stronger position to block such a sale..Thats the reason why France is knocking every door to sell the Rafale but not Taiwan !! although Taiwan needs new fighters more urgently than UAE or INDIA..
The economic countermeasures against France could cause more damage to French industry than what Dassault would gain from a possible Rafale sale.
For example,China can exclude French companies from international tenders, stop buying the Airbus !! In short , France don’t have the leverage and most important of all the guts to oppose China .