The comitee prefers the Rafale and will suggest its selection to the government, but the government has to make the final decision. Hopefully the Swiss lives up to its promises and makes transparent on what grounds the selection was done.
Switzerland is planing to buy 33 fighters with a limited ,maximum budget of 1,3 billion Euros.. So how many Rafales can they buy with todays prices??
not even half of the required number. You see the evaluation is not everything. Besides , in Switzerland when it comes to spending taxpayers money, people go to polls to decide and the latest opinion poll puts the opponents slightly in the lead so I read it somewhere short while ago.
The French government drives the price up by trying to force sunken costs already incurred onto new sales. This puts the price out of line with the product.
With an output of barely one fighter a month,production costs must be exorbitant.. Dassault is 51% privately owned and French government can’t dictate Dassault’s export prices.
Rafale dominates Typhoon in every category except one : Typhoon was driven by the need for top performance at high AoA and at supersonic speeds. This is where Typhpon is superior to Rafale and most probably the second best in the world after F-22. In all other areas ,Rafale has the edge.. The design and construction of Typhoon must have been more complicated than that of Rafale considering the needs and requirements of four different nations ..
You can also forget the French pilots anecdotal evidences concerning Rafale beating Typhoon 4:0 or losing to F-22 only once..Not to be taken seriously.
Anyway, any Block 60+ can’t enjoy the industrial advantage of older F-16 that were produced in insane numbers.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely , this is called ‘ The economies of scale ‘ a huge advantage which Dassault doesn’t have with Rafale. Dassault must produce at least 36fighters a year in order to achieve a reasonable cost allocation in his plant .
With its present rate of fighter output which is barely a fighter a month, and broken supply chain , Dassault plant in Merignac must have been under a huge burden of accumulated overheads which of course makes Rafale a hell of an expensive fighter.
If Mirage 2000 is so better than F-16 why Greek ordered more F-16?
The answer to it is very simple.. F-16Block52+ is a bettter all-round fighter than Mirage 2000 which might have only a marginal edge in high altitute interceptions. But F-16 is more powerful and much better strike aircraft than Mirage. Block 60 on the other hand ,would win any confrontation with Mirage hands down.
We don’t know the last and final offer submitted by SAAB for the GRIPEN..
If GRIPEN is 50% cheaper than RAFALE, than even a French loving president LULA can’t say NO as he will be spending public funds but I think its very unlikely.
Its absolutely correct they are trying to get as much concession as possible in terms of both price and technology transfer. They know very well how desperate Dassault is.. Its no longer the good old days when Dassault was selling its Mirage fighters like bread and butter all over the world . Anyway ,RAFALE is simply the best fighter in its category. After so many setbacks she suffered in the past, she deserves the deal ..
Dassault might not be willing to give away their excellent digital fly-by-wire technology to Brazil along with other sensitive techologies incorporated in Rafale . Gripens most effective weapon is its price SAAB can only win if they offer a very very interesting price ( 72 Gripens to the price of 36 Rafale’s ) and more comprehensive technology transfer . RAFALE is the best multi role fighter in its class today with unlimited possibilities of upgrade in the future. Lets wait and see the final verdict…
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Still no export orders, but are things looking more hopeful for a real signature in the UAE?
Is Brazil ‘just around the corner’ and if it happens will the gilt still be on the gingerbread, or will the Rafale fans joy be spoiled by the FAB’s report?
And what of India, Switzerland, and even a more in depth assessment of what happened in Morocco and Libya?
This is the place to discuss all of it.
Preferably without half digested and half understood 1990s aerodynamics lessons, repeated ad nauseam in an attempt to distract from more salient debate.
After all, we’re talking Rafale, of which one distinguished (if slightly out of date ) TP said:
“The classic definitions of aircraft combat roles really do not do justice to this aircraft; the Rafale is Europe’s force-multiplying “war-fighter” par excellence. It is simply the best and most complete combat aircraft that I have ever flown. Its operational deployments speak for themselves. If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale.”
“Ding, ding, round one, seconds out!”
Rafale is the most versatile fighter on the market today . Brazil and UAE are just around the corner. .INDIA and SWITZERLAND?? not that good.
Only because he knows Airbus will show him the door 😀
I am not so sure about it.. John Leahy can make the deal and lose huge amount of money in the process and ask French and German governments to make up the difference . This is how AIRBUS became AIRBUS …That’s something Boeing can’ t do.
Looks like the French have managed to screw up another contract.
I think not ..SH has no chance .Rafale is by far the best fighter in the contest. The only problem seems to be the price and the technology transfer.. There might still be a huge gap between what Brazil wants to get and what Dassault is ready to give..
And Dassault completely botched it by not realising that a plane with such limited range would interest absolutely no one. Fact, the Mercure was the worse failure in the field of commercial aviation, selling even less than Concorde. A success in its own way I guess.[/QUOTE]
Yes ,Mercur was probably the greatest disaster in the companies history and there is not a shred of evidence to prove or even to suggest that Dassault might have made any significant contribution to the development of A-300.. DASA and Deutsche Airbus GmbH were also heavily involved in the project from start to finish..
Dassault is not a designer of commercial aircraft, they tried once and discovered the limit of their competence in this field in a rather painful way . It is inane to compare Dassault’s competence with EADS and AIRBUS..