It’s nice to see another PT-22 in the air – congratulations all round – what a pretty aeroplane it is!!!.
A question: I notice from the pics that the flaps were used for landing. When Hairyplane picked up his PT-22 the previous owner advised against using the flaps in flight. A failure of the ratchet can cause one side to retract leaving the aircraft in an uncontrollable roll – the reason for many crashes, apparently. The flaps make little difference to the landing distance, so there’s no need to use ’em. Certainly, we haven’t used the flaps on Hairy’s PT and we’ve had no sig probs with landing wrt aircraft handling or landing distance. Any thoughts from PT owners/drivers, or anybody else?
A
I have to put in a plug for the Shuttleworth Collection (which is only 30 miles from Duxford), most of the aircraft there are unique in the world.
See http://www.shutleworth.org
Airbedane
Sunset shows – the timing changes through the year, depending on the time of sunset:
15 May, 19 Jun & 17 Jul start at 1830
21 Aug starts at 1730
11 Sep starts at 1630
The Sunday shows:
2 May, 6 Jun, 4 Jul, 1 Aug, 5 Sep all start at 1400
All times local.
Full details are on the Shuttleworth web site.
Thanks AiB, it was a good week, wasn’t it 😀 😀
Next time you’re at Old Warden, come and say hello, it’d be nice to put a few faces to the names in the posts.
Rather than get confused between threads, I’ve started a new one on RV’ing at Old Warden. Check that for latest details.
Airbedane.
Old Warden 15th May
I’ve put an offer on another thread to arrange an RV for Forum members at Old Warden shows. I would suggest the Flypast Stand, or the Beer Hut at, say, 1600? I’ll get a PA message put out to that effect on the day. If you want a differrent time or place, let me know. Don’t forget to wear a Flypast sticker or Badge.
A couple of notices:
1. The May (and September) evening shows this year are combined with model aircraft events. There will be model flying from 1000 until about 1530, the aicraft will then be pushed out an the evening show will start at 1830.
2. Charles Wells beer is good, but the local pub (Hare and Hounds) also sells Old Speckled Hen on draught – ’nuff said, hic!!
3. Following that, you’ll need accommodation close by. There are limited rooms at Old Warden Park – see the Collections web site – and Old Warden Post Office, nextdoor to the Pub, offers B&B, but in both cases, you must book early.
Enjoy,
Airbedane
As an ex-Hunter driver (although never operational) I can confirm that it is the gun ports, the T7 doesn’t, and it happens at around 450kts. It can be ‘felt’ in the cockpit as a light vibration, which builds up to a max at the ideal speed and fades afterwards.
Thanks for the reminder, Colin, is it really four years!
Norman was a personal friend, and unfortunately, one of many friends who have lost their lives in aircraft over the years.
There’s nothing more I can say……………….
The Nemeth Umbrella Plane had a circular wing and flew in the USA in the 1930’s. A three-view and picture were published by Bill Hannan in his booklet – Plans and 3-Views Vol 1. I built a profile test model for CO2 which flew beautifully, but a second attempt at a more scale structure didn’t get of the ground – or at least, it kept spiralling in……
I saw a 5 or so second clip of the original in the air in a 1930’s movie some years ago. I think it was called ‘The History of Flight’. Did anyone else have the pleasure?
Airbedane.
Back to thread – the Great Escape, last night – magic – I was enthralled all the way through!
Lets have more like it, Channel 5!
Airbedane
Originally posted by Melvyn Hiscock
Airbedane, next time let me know and I’ll arrange a trip over to Dugny and the Mem Flight.MH
Thanks MH, I’ll take you up on that.
Regarding food, I seem to remember we used to eat at a hotel near the Le Bourget GA arrival area – called Le Bleu Marin, or something similar. It’s about two K’s from the museum entrance, turn left out the door and just keep walking. The buffet used to be superb, good price too, but then BAe were paying and anyway, I’m biased. 😀 😀
Airbedane
Many thanks AH and t_NZ for the Chipmunk pics, your help is appreciated.
EH – you’re right in what you say, but in practice, those who abuse their DA’s don’t normally keep ’em for too long, so if a pilot holds a DA, then they are normally OK.
W UK, I’ll look forwad to the visit, let me know beforehand, if you can.
Three Magisters – we’ve asked Breighton to send the third Magister to Old Warden for a show, and we await their reply. Regading the other aircraft, as WarburdUK hints and as I’ve said earlier, it’s all down to cost, and running these aircraft becomes more expensive each year.
Don’t miss it!
I haven’t been there for about 5 years, but I’ve visited several times and I’ve never been disappointed.
A
Dez,
The Chipmunk canopy is British, but the colour scheme is Canadian – the Canadian version had bubble canopy – can anyone help with a picture.
Airbedane
Dez,
Apologies if I gave you the wrong idea, it wasn’t my intention to be officious. I didn’t take your comment as a moan, but it thought it warrented a reply as to why the Chipmunk is non-authentic.
As said, I do appreciate your comments, so please keep ’em coming.
Airbedane
Many thanks for all your comments – I really appreciate the forthright replies!
Here’s a few off-the-cuff responses:
The Mansion accommodation cannot be advertised as it doesn’t meet full hotel regulations. However, discount accommodation is (and has been for several years) available for any pilots/pasengers who get stuck due to late finishes. I’m not sure of the current rates, but the year before last it was £20 per person for B&B in the student accommodation – very basic, but better than the alternative!.
The evening shows go on until dusk as that’s when the good air is around for the Edwardians. All vistors are informed of this before arrival, so they fly-in for an evening show at their own risk. See above for the Collections way of making it easier to stay rather than chance it with a dusk departure.
Acquisitions: It’s all down to money. If owners want excesive sums for their machine (and why shouldn’t they…?), then the Collection must reserve the right to refuse the purchase, however nice the aeroplane may be. Recent acquisitions have been made under the Collections current policy of covering the first 100 years of flight. All are looked at on merit and a majority decision taken. Remember that we have to make sure that we have something to display, no matter what the weather, and the Prentice, Jungmann, Provost, Chipmunk, etc are all machines that can be flown and displayed in light rain – which is not the case with some of the more precious machines.
Colours and configuration – the Chipmunk is either in the wrong colours or the wrong fit. However, it’s in serviceable flying condition, so why change. It would take up valuable engineering time and a signiicant input of money to either repaint it or change the canopy. Please live with it until it needs a recover or renovation, when we’ll do something about it. The same applies to the Gladiator. On the other hand, if you do feel strongly about it, you could consider sponsoring a re-cover and repaint…….?
Visiting aicraft – again it’s down to money. Recent insurance and fuel cost increases have increased the cost of imported acts. We have always had a good relationship with the CAA, and that remains the case. Nothing has caused us to change our policy in that respect for at least the 14 years I’ve been a member of the team.
RAF participation – again, it’s expensive. The Tucano was cancelled because the RAF insisted we pay for good hotel accommodation for two pilots and two groundcrew for three nights (Friday thro’ Monday) plus at least three landing fees and parking at Cambridge for two aicraft over the weekend. It became non-viable. It wasn’t the RAF’s fault, it was simply because there was no RAF airfield open over the weekend near to Old Warden.
Apologies for the generally negative responses, but I can’t think of a better way to answer the questions.
Airbedane