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  • in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2338453
    Farooq
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    DSI is also there on the JF 17.Its widely believed that the Chinese got the DSI tech through espionage (stealing some f 35 design files or something like that). And I think it has been suggested before in this forum that the main advantage of DSI is related to maintenance.

    JSF espionage story i believe is circa 2008-2009. I had read an internal PAF article in 2005 or so that DSI work started in parallel at the time of first prototype(which did not have DSI) in 1999. Only in 4th prototype they were confident enough to apply DSI.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2338497
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    It looks much larger than the T 50 and F 22. IAF T 50s vs PAF J 20 🙂

    I doubt PAF could afford a Leviathan like this in numbers. There would probably be a smaller version (low end of hi-lo mix )developed using technologies from J-20 which would also be sold commercially. My two cents!

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2338499
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    The hilarious bit in this whole story is the fact that China’s premium jet J-20 has DSI. Few years ago i used to hear skeptically from few (and rather authortatively from tphuang- he is different :diablo: ) how DSI hinders speed limit of jets to mach 2 and below and will be excluded from advanced aircrafts made for high speed performance. Anyone with different view was supposed to be a fan boy.

    First it appeared on J-10B and now on J-20. 😀

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2338586
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    It has a great view from front. Majestic!
    Has a very boring side look though, almost like Mig 1.44. The vertical fins seem to follow same arrangement as Mig 1.44. Canards are a more modified form than on Mig it seems. The front view is a lot like Raptor/JSF due to inlet/DSI and radome shape.

    Do we have better size estimates now, using the vehicle?

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2339680
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    Agreed on perspective bit. I guess we would need more clear pictures to make any size comparisons.

    in reply to: China's upcoming 5th G fighter–J-20 prototype is ready #2339698
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    A lot of folks think it is huge…
    But how big compared to YF-23 (strictly size comparison and not looks..we all know nothing beats YF-23 in that department :p )

    I am looking at the canopies and pilot helmets and comparing to the rest of airframe. To me it doesn’t seem to be any bigger than the black widow.
    http://www.bugimus.com/stealth/gfx/yf23_b2.jpg

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2357685
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    It seems the current reports are suggesting an AESA in a mechanical rotadome, similar in configuration to the E-2D. The KJ-200 is also an AESA with 360 degree coverage, similar in performance to the Erieye, so the ZDK-03 having 360 degree coverage doesn’t automatically make it superior to the KJ-200. There’s still no real performance details out, so difficult to compare, but I believe cost may have been the ultimate reason why the KJ-200 wasn’t selected. IMHO, I also doubt whether the ZDK-03 will be superior in performance to the KJ-200.

    Another article that indicates it is an AESA
    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/11/24/350025/pakistan-to-receive-first-zdk-03-aewc-aircraft.html

    “Pakistan to receive first ZDK-03 AEW&C aircraft
    By Greg Waldron

    Pakistan will receive the first of four Shaanxi ZDK-03 airborne early warning and control system aircraft by the end of January 2011.
    The other three aircraft are likely to arrive later in the year, says the Pakistan air force.
    “The ZDK-03s have been developed to our specifications,” says the air force. “It won’t be an E-3C Sentry, but it will have the latest electronics and everything an AEW&C aircraft needs.”
    The Chinese-built aircraft will have an active electronically scanned array radar, and its open architecture electronics will allow for future developments and upgrades.
    Pakistan has also received its third of four Erieye radar-equipped Saab 2000s being acquired from Sweden, with the final aircraft likely to arrive in the coming months. The four-engined Chinese aircraft has a greater range than the Saab, say sources.
    The ZDK-03 deal underlines the strong military ties between Pakistan and China. The countries have also jointly developed the Chengdu JF-17 Thunder fighter, of which Pakistan is likely to buy 200.
    Purchasing AEW&C aircraft from two separate sources is indicative of Pakistan’s strategy of not becoming too reliant on any one ally. The USA imposed military sanctions against Islamabad from 1990 until 2005 in response to its testing nuclear weapons.
    The air force’s current fleet includes Lockheed Martin F-16s, Dassault Mirage III/5s and Chengdu F-7s and JF-17s.
    In terms of military transports, Pakistan flies Lockheed C-130s, but also operates Ilyushin Il-76/78 tankers.”

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2362507
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    Looks-wise I would take the JF-17 over the LCA anyday. Its a beautiful aircraft (may be i am biased because I love the F 16)

    Both aircrafts have certain angles at which they look beautiful and then some which make them look unsightly. LCA could still use a little lighter paint scheme in my opinion. But it is still much better in its gray camo compared to earlier white TD paint schemes.

    in reply to: Iranian "Ambassador of Death" #1802161
    Farooq
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    BTW: Where do they come up with these silly names?:D

    The original name given on the link you posted and other news stories i have seen is “Karrar”.

    This was the title given to Ali ibne abi talib (Prophet’s cousin) for his fighting style of unrelenting or repeated attacks on the battle field. Ali is the central figure in Shia Islam.

    Another way to describe the title is “one who comes back and attacks repeatedly”. Sort of appropraite for a UCAV/ Strike UAV?

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2376857
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    The MAR-1 purchase by Pakistan was a major surprise when it was announced some months ago… Specially since Brazil and India were already partnering um in a considerable number of military initiatives… the IBSAMar naval exercises, the Embraer participation in the new mid-sized AWACS aircraft, some say Brazilian interest on Brahmos… The risk that the MAR-1 sale might upset relations with fellow BRIC member India apparently was not considered by our government as a very high risk option…

    From what I heard. the MAR-1 sale to Pakistan was a sorely needed funding boost to Mectron in order to get this missile into serial production. FAB is very excited with this product, and naturally eager to add it to its inventory. FAB is very open with all aspects of information about its operations except for the purchase and stocks om missiles, on those there is usually no comments whatsoever…

    I imagine the MAR-1 is to be fitted to the “Thunder”, because I doubt it that the US would allow the adding of a non-US weapon to the F-16s currently operated by Pakistan, how do you all see this issue?

    Regards

    Hammer

    Thanks for your commentry Hammer!

    From what i have picked up on PakDef from more knowledgable members is the fact that this deal involved transfer of technology and that the range of these missiles is nearly thrice what is reported on various websites (~75km). I have no specific information about these missiles being integrated with F-16s but JF-17 integration has been mentioned in news reports during Farnbrough press releases i think. Quite likely they will be integrated on JF-17 and probably on FC-20s but not on F-16s.
    EDIT: Here is the link to the post(thanks Rookh) in this same thread with article scans that talks about MAR-1 integration
    http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1614142&postcount=309
    (look at the second scan)

    It seems like this deal has been followed up by more deals which involve MAA-1A Piranha 1 (already delivered) and MAA-1B Piranha 2 on order. Pakistan is also being mentioned as a strong candidiate for the export of A-Darter. The fact that South Africans are involved in A-Darter also makes it likely given the long history of arms sales to PAF from South African manufacturers.

    Do you have any information on the air to air missile sales?

    As for the mirage-III, i think PAF must have had enough in stock already. They are also slated for retirement so there will be enough retired airframes for canniblization while they are being replaced with JF-17. my 2 cents.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2385978
    Farooq
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    Most likely an ECM/EW pod

    thats what my hunch is too. But this looks more compact a bit different from other Chinese ECM/EW pods we have seen on JH-7 and other in service aircrafts.
    A better view from airlines.net
    http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pakistan—Air/Pakistan-Aeronautical-Complex/1745592/L/

    On the side it says BS15369.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2385981
    Farooq
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    Link below: Some images ( screenshots) of PAF’s JF-17 test firing PL-5 AAM:

    http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/htm_data/27/1007/265585.html

    Great! Thanks for sharing.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2386587
    Farooq
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    Any idea what is that pod in third picture on the left (post 300)? It can also be seen behind the optical sensor pod in the lfirst and ast picture.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2387514
    Farooq
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    Abhi,
    this is your original statement
    “Demonstrators and in-development aircraft are not allowed to fly in any air-show. Only demonstrators of the home-country are allowed, because its own plots are involved in testing. So Tejas has performed in the last 3 Aero-India shows.”

    You did not make an exceptions. Now you are ok with an in-development aircraft flying. Your earlier made a blanket statement that in-development aircrafts (which JF-17 is not) are not allowed flight demos in other countries.

    in reply to: Pakistan Air Force III #2388463
    Farooq
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    so are you saying the FC-1 is basically a super developed J-7 variant?

    You can effectively go back to original J-7 from FC-1 quite easily:
    http://img827.imageshack.us/i/pafjf171011304.jpg/

    This took less than a minute. turning Cropped delta to full delta will be the next logical step for anyone curious in this excercise. The intakes are clearly more like enlarged version of auxliary intakes that appeared on advanced Chinese fishbeds than actual well thoughout full fledge intakes you would notice on other fighters.

    :dev2:

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