No you didnt, I brought up an issue and you pointed out that it was more wide spread- it is still a feature of Islamic society even if it is also a feature of other societys.

Sealord,

The whole point was that murdering a rape victim is not part of islamic jurisprudence.
These kinds of sick things do happen alot in that part of the world and i agree with you.

ooh boy!

This is something that realy frustrates me about this forum, people seem to think that becouse something bad happens somewhere else, it justifies it happening in their favoured place– that is simply not the case.

Where did i justify it?
Iran is not my “favoured place”, how did you come to that conclusion?

With all due respect the subjugation of women seems to be a feature of Islamic society, Saudi Arabia and Iran are classic examples but it is not just at state level. For instance the UK has seen ‘honour killings’.

For example
The Yezidis in Iraq are muslims ?
Or the Christian Arabs ?

I very politely made a point and showed you the evidence that tells a different story about the “issue” you brought up. Your answer didn’t surprise me least bit!

democratic institutions are not used for the imposing of extreme Sharia law. For instance there was a case in Iran where a young girl was executed for being sexually abused by her father and others. This is exactly the sort of thing that needs to be prevented. Indeed I would say that this is why Turkey is (at least up to now) such a good example, the secular nature of the state, and to an extent society as well, ensures that what one could call western values (although I prefer to call them modern liberal values) are upheld.

Sealord,
Sharia or islamic law does not perscribe “punishment” of a victim specially a rape victim. In countries where you see such examples, have such problems due to very unfair traditions against women. The whole social setup that includes the administration/judiciary gangs up to do what is more of a traditional thing than islamic.

You have cited Turkey as a good example but you could find similar charges against turkish athourties taking a very lenient action against culprits who invoke traditions to justify their crimes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/turkey/story/0,12700,1253968,00.html

“Human rights activists say perpetrators are punished leniently after invoking “extenuating circumstances.”
In a report on violence against women in Turkey, Amnesty International highlighted the case of a man who had a 24-year prison term for stabbing his partner to death reduced to two and a half years after producing photographs of the woman with another man.
“

And also you would be making a wrong assumption to attribute it to Islam/muslims only. For example a recently a christian arab family in Israel made it to news. Similarly very brutal video clips of a Yezidi Kurdish girl being stoned to death for marrying a muslim boy surfaced.

Remember, Russia theoretically gets a say as to where the jet is exported (see the post on my blog from May 16 for the relevant info regarding that issue).

I guess people here are really skeptical of China’s ability to successfully produce RD-93 class WS-13 (mentioned time and again, even by PLAMK-II), for i don’t see how could Russia block FC-1 once it’s ready (seems to be in final phase).

Also refer to Kilmov’s official that they don’t wanan lose the engine deal because if they do someone else would simply replace them. PLA mentioned the open archetecture of JF-17 and it’s ability to be modified to take few other engines.

Hmm..lets go back to the fifties..and think that an R-77 or an Amraam couldnt possibly be effective because countermeasures will be developed and also long range..more freedom of movement right?:diablo:

Wrong way to look at it. i never said there won’t be development in propulsion and aerodyanmics that would make it possible for missiles to reach longer distances. But again with the same level of technology in electronics your missile will face a much bigger and better equipped adversary and that too in an already ECM intensive envrionment(ground assets included) if you are trying to go that farther into adversary airspace.

Perhaps ramjet magically solves the problem of guidance right ? :diablo:

Egypt, India, and Syria. Non-relevant portions have been cropped out to get the images down to size for uploading. Light blue rings are SA-3s, green rings are SA-6s, red rings are SA-2s, and the big rings are obviously Syria’s SA-5s.

I’ve also included a very good example of a substantial S-300PM-1 site. There are two firing batteries in place, each with a mobile 30N6-1 TOMB STONE and a tower-mounted 76N6 CLAM SHELL. There is also, unusually, a 64N6 BIG BIRD on-site as well.

Appreciate it 🙂

In the widest sense.

The other reason is PN’s Orion based AWE&C acquisitions. And yes the numbers could be less than 5, another possibility.

I have asked for jf17 cockpit pics before as well lol.

Sorry buddy i was gonna do it earlier but was busy with work. Here is all the pics i have been stashing for couple of years. Some quite old pics as well which might not represent current JF-17.(21.68 MB)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O6EI6F17