does anyone know the exact original number ? we can scale it down by 20%

AFAIK 6 were intially planned for. It is being said that the number will be reduced by 1. The reason being cited is PAF’s commitment to Chinese AWE&C which is apparently being offered with major technology transfer.

This image is from ARDB (Aeronautics Research and Development Board), DRDO about future aerodynamic design of the fighter aircrafts. Is it the initial drwing of MCA. But MCA supposed to have tailles design….. 😮

It’s showing the positive effect of flaps and slats on lift co-efficient
Another one if u are interested.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0008.shtml

P.S Only the very initial drawings(i guess they could be found on FAS) showed MCA in a tail less configuration. Later on an ADA presentation appeared on net which showed an F-22 look alike design for MCA.

I don’t think so. Why would China need to be persuaded by Pakistan’s bargaining tactics?

Not China but CAC which is a very talented and competetive entity.

Secondly this JDW report is older than the latest AFM interview with PAF official which gives you the latest from the actual source. Please listen to Pinko who has made a very good point.This is what was said (summed up).

PAF is very happy with Chinese avionics. If European want something they will have to bring something really substantial on the table. So thats not the case in which PAF is pushing China but instead them pushing other companies.

As for why PAF is still open to other vendors, they have already gone for an all Chinese solution for standard-I (another official had mentioned the term to describe upgrade model would be based on progressive standards). They are certainly looking for AESA on next standard, if Chinese companies come up with another good product i don’t see why PAF wouldn’t go for it.

Because of that, i really dislike bands like Dream Theater or even Tool, and that bombastical 1970s-stuff like Led Zeppelin or Jethro Tull.

What kinda mere mortal would dislike Tool.
What if Maynard is indeed God like some say :dev2:

Moderator sayeth,

Thread cleaned up. This is a FC-1 development progress thread, not an IAF vs PAF thread.

Farooq, please repost your questions in the IAF thread

Perhaps the question was a bit out of the scope of this thread but just flowed from few posts like this one

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1116855&postcount=588

Anyway i will try to repost in IAF thread.

Nato and the US have made far more effort than the pakistanis, and have thus far not made a truce with the terrorists.:mad:

Exhibit 1
“The United States and Britain criticized Italy’s hostage deal with the Taliban on Wednesday, saying the release of five guerrillas in exchange for an Italian reporter put NATO troops in danger and encouraged kidnappings.
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“A spokesman for Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said only the Afghan government made the deal “in recognition of the friendship with Italy”.
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Exhibit 2

“British deals seen hurting fight against Taliban
By Ahmed Rashid
LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH
January 7, 2007

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — British policy in Afghanistan is seriously damaging Western efforts against the Taliban, diplomats from allied countries have warned.
Officials from the United States and European members of NATO say Britain is increasingly at odds with its coalition partners over its policy of making arbitrary peace deals with the Taliban, while at the same time declining to put pressure on Pakistan to stop providing sanctuary to the Taliban leadership.
Diplomats in Kabul and Islamabad, the capitals of Afghanistan and Pakistan, say Britain’s “go-it-alone policies” are threatening military preparations for a major Taliban offensive expected next month.
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Exhibit 3
KABUL, Afghanistan, Nov. 29 — After a series of bruising battles between British troops and Taliban fighters, the Afghan government struck a peace deal with tribal elders in Helmand Province, arranging for a cease-fire and the withdrawal of both sides from one southern district. A month later, the ripples are still being felt in the capital and beyond.

The elders in the Musa Qala district brokered a local peace pact.
The accord, reached with virtually no public consultation and mediated by the local governor, has brought some welcome peace for residents of the district, Musa Qala, and a reprieve for British troops, who had been under siege by the Taliban in a compound there for three months.

Now tell me with all the technology and resources why do you have british,Italians and US installed Afghan govt negotiating and striking deals with Taliban time and again?

I have read up sunshine, pakistans efforts have been pathetic so far.:mad:

If they have bee pathetic then i guess NATO/USA have been uber pathetic in both Iraq and Afghanistan. What you say friend ?:)