Halo1. If Dassault gets one or more exporting deal(s) at that time, then there shall be a few more dozens of exporting Rafale with AESA radar at the time of 2019~2020.
2. Even if Dassault fails to get any export deal at that time, French government will have to compensate Dassault, and French AF and Navy shall have no less than 61 Rafale B/C/M with AESA radar at the time of 2019.
3. It is said that France prepares to retrofit the Rafale F3 today with AESA radar after 2020.
4. Only 33 AESAs even in 2016? Well, tell me how many AESAs shall the productional Eurofighter and Gripen get at that time, and how many Russian fighters with AESA radars will enter service formally at that time……
@4. Gripen will have the Gripen Demo and two Gripen E, none of them delivered to the airforce..
Halo27 mm Mauser with only PAWS-2? What happened to its other two feet? Won’t catch many mice without them.
Walking on 2 legs and allowing the paws to be used for other things, I consider this a huge step in evolution, even a new generation…:)
HaloGripen Will adept the paws-2 IR MAWS (From Gripen official blog). Previously 2 additional ir sensors has been presented as an option. Is this a complement or substitute for the MAWS300 uv MAWS?
HaloHow serious aerodynomic challenge does it present? Canted tails do generate some lift!? Why doesn’t Su 35 have them?!
HaloBecause around here 95% of what people care about is air to air combat, while out in the real world 95% of what these aircraft actually do in wartime is air to ground.
Good point if you are more in to expeditionary warefare rather than building a credible self defenace in an exposed neighbourhood.
HaloExtremely, few F-22’s would be available at any time. As the total is less than 187 aircraft. Then take our test aircraft, training aircraft, aircraft going maintenance or upgrade. Then split what is remaining between East and West Hemispheres! Clearly, the US Military is well aware of that and fully confident that the F-35. Which, speaks volumes in my book……:cool:
Well the US also has superior EW assets, AEW, tanker support and probably an excellent local IADS. You could still run P51’s and still win the day… Other nations has to do with a lot less support for their interceptors.
HaloSure there is politics in all Government Spending and much of it is wasteful. Regardless, if it is in the US, Australia, Russia, or China. As a matter of fact it happens everyday from all around the world. Yet, your “prejudice” is so one sided. You only see the shortcomings when that applies to the US and then times it by ten……All the while ignoring the rest of the world :stupid:
“prejudice” is quite one sided actually. A country usually get the leadership they deserve..In term of general corruption Scandinavia, Netherlands, Canada, Australia/NZ and S’pore and partially Germany is in a League of their own. US does not belong. http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/
Haloif you really want to upset the right wingers,,tell them USA is a liberal democracy and watch the veins pop
I think that left-right and conservative -liberal scales aren’t connected.
Left =State led economy and strong limits to private sector
Right=Low government interference in economy and limited wealth redistribution
Conservative=Strong belief in government regulation of private Life (Family, Faith & Firearms)
Liberal=Low government interference in private Life (marry at will, trade with who you like, do what you wish)
Brazil=Left and conservative?
Scandinavia= Center and very liberal
France=Left and conservative
US=Right and conservative
So Brazil would share religious and family values with US but not on left-right scale.
What would make the politicians most popular? Buying Conservative-Right-US, Conservative -Left-France or Liberal-Center-Swedish?
HaloRequired number of flying hours or aircraft in relation to performance can work out many ways,
1st day or war “5 Gripen = 1JSF?”,
long haul heavy loads “3Gripen=1JSF?”,
In cases you have to produce a certain number of missions or flying hours (Recce, CAP and similar). In that case the Aircraft availability will be decisive, you will need more pilots and more aircraft to produce the same availability by using F35 compared to Gripens, 1 Gripen =2 F35?? For most airforces I think the last is the most important, in case of a crisis alot of flying hours has to generated by a small fleet with short notice!
HaloWhat don’t you get??? Other fighters can work within the Network but not at the same level as the F-22 and especially the F-35. Plus, they don’t come with Stealth………Which, is a huge advantage!
You sound very much like somebody else… just change “stealth” with “DSI”:highly_amused:
HaloYou can keep making such unsupported statements like “its flying performance is generally very much inferior to the Eurocanards” Yet, that is just your own personal opinion and it hardly makes it true! As a matter of fact several F-35 Test Pilot with experience in the Typhoon and Rafale. Have publically stated the F-35 matches and many cases exceed the performance of the latter.
For example………Billy Flynn, the first Canadian to fly the F-35, describes it as the most sophisticated aircraft ever built. Flynn, a 23 year veteran of the RCAF, is now a senior experimental test pilot with Lockheed Martin on the F-35 project. During his time with the RCAF, Flynn flew CF-18s, commanding the Canadian Task Force in operations over Kosovo. After retirement from the RCAF, he was a test pilot for EADS on the Typhoon and Tornado aircraft.
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The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) will have kinematic performance better than or equal to any combat-configured fourth-generation fighter. The comparison includes transonic acceleration performance versus an air-to-air configured Eurofighter Typhoon and high angle-of-attack flight performance vis-à-vis the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.
“The F-35 is comparable or better in every one of those metrics, sometimes by a significant margin, in both air-to-air, and when we hog-up those fourth-generation fighters, for the air-to-ground mission,” says Billy Flynn, a Lockheed test pilot who is responsible for flight envelope expansion activities for all three variants.
As a matter of fact this the biggest misconception about the F-35 and it is fueled daily by Arm Chair Generals (Critics) like you. Yet, it is totally unsupported by the “facts”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2cjvx5DsGqo
Many thnx I’ll try to put the new title to my resume…:love-struck: I presume I dont get a reference….:confused: After all the posts on the subjects there is not much to support your claim. Most solid case is still the poor wingloading, thrust to weight and the drag speaks for itself in addition to the news flow about sustained G loads and transsonic acceleration. Again under well selected conditions it is probably doing ok.
Halonope
Nobody here is failing to address anything frankly. The F-35 has experienced its share of issues in development and everyone here acknowledges that.
The difference between the knowledgeable posters here and the trolls is that we are able to appreciate the value of what the total package the F-35 offers. It isn’t going to win a drag race against a clean Eurofighter and it won’t beat the Su-35 flying an air show routine. It will however offer incredible real world capability and combat effectiveness.
Well your post is quite a provocation in it self. The F35 will bring many great features and excellent combination of them too, but its flying perforaance is generally very much inferior to all the Eurocanards. The F35 is obviously ok under certain well selected criteras such a 2t load out with 2BVR missiles and subsonic at medium altlitute but your post is implying that this differance is irrelevant. I have to disagree!
HaloAbsolutely. Rumours should always be taken with a grain of salt. As you said, time will tell.
In my fanboy dreams there will be conformal antennas for GAN EWS/datalinks, 414G is it the 414EDE Engine? nosecone/front a la FS2020 as appeared on photoes this forum, DSI if it has any merit(The “Bill S rumors”), however given the size of SAAB and Swedish defense budget I doubt most of these. The interesting thing is that surprisingly little is known, for example performance of the Skyward G IRSOT, the Volvo AERO stealthy engine exhause R&D program, room for 2 complementary IR MAWS, previous CFT studies done before the present E configuration was decided, what changes to main fuselage section, and about many other areas of improvment. SAAB is not quite known for overselling so most likely we will atleast have some positive surprises.
Halomy experience
My experience from civilian Projects are that many people from developed nations (EU, US & Japan) are too comfortable and hence get problems when the going gets tough. In China there are a set of different problems, bad news doesn’t travel, face saving operations district higher purpose at higher degree, lack of initiative at lower levels, lack of understanding of purpose, very high reliance on direct orders from management. I guess that people don’t turn into superman when they put their uniforms on (probably the other way around :confused:). In addition to that I think that the Chinese public health will require a lot of attention in the future.
Haloit is not fair to compair aesa f16 and j10b. j10b is at least 10 year newer. of course it will be better.
what about comparing a 2003 year BMW too a 2013 Geely..
To Gold dust & Palembang, “Keep it up, I personally enjoy the Reading”, it is rare to encounter this kind of madness in everyday life!
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