Most interesting about SU35 & Typhoon, certainly demands its own thread…..

Gripens choice of UV MAWs (SAAB MAWS 300) is quite interesting, except for beeing smaller, more reliable & cheaper sensors, are the limitations disturbing?? Hopefully the swashplate AESA can be turned to track missiles seen by the MAWs. They are likeley to require temperatures around 1000C to see anything, only engine exhaust, AAA muzzles flames and burning rocket motors will be visible. JSF and partially Rafale seems to be on top here and Tyhoon out in the dark…

Solar blind dectector sensibility to wave length
http://www.google.se/imgres?q=solar+blind+uv&hl=sv&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1466&bih=769&tbm=isch&tbnid=JON4ERn_H0hbRM:&imgrefurl=http://www.ird-inc.com/uvg-b.html&docid=tzvv17M_MLPaYM&imgurl=http://www.ird-inc.com/image/uvg-blog.gif&w=628&h=453&ei=GW_6UMTEF8SM4ATY4ICYCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=287&vpy=116&dur=238&hovh=191&hovw=264&tx=103&ty=98&sig=109954071421641129861&page=1&tbnh=119&tbnw=157&start=0&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:87

Black body temp
http://www.google.se/imgres?q=solar+blind+Uv+black+body+temp&hl=sv&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1466&bih=769&tbm=isch&tbnid=w1SaCz6yKEZOqM:&imgrefurl=http://larouchepac.com/node/15672&docid=JZHbDTLap-1qqM&imgurl=http://larouchepac.com/files/cody%252520black%252520body%252520spectrum_0.png&w=600&h=435&ei=8HL6UNadEcml4gT2poDACg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=67&vpy=288&dur=2620&hovh=191&hovw=264&tx=217&ty=134&sig=109954071421641129861&page=1&tbnh=132&tbnw=187&start=0&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:111

Engine exhaust temp
http://www.0x4d.net/files/AF1/R11%20Segment%2011.pdf

I am still interested in any sources to the claim that Gripen would not handle Flankers, according to Norwegian MoDs.

In the meantime I found a source that refers to PAK FA (but not Flankers).

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=534207

It basically says that PAK FA “shut down” Gripen NG according to the Norwegian simulations; the NG was not able to handle the PAK FA.

Diesen also says that in the “short term” (5 – 10 years) Gripen is still a very good plane, but Norwegian MoD must look 20-30 years into the future, and then it was no doubt about what fighter they needed.

For some reason I thought I had seen 10-15 years somewhere, but perhaps my memory is failing me? :confused:

Anyway, apart from that, this source basically confirms what I said above; they did not say Gripen failed to meet the Flankers, but they did say it failed when meeting the PAK FA.

The Norwegain process was so biased that it lost all credability in my eyes. The cost calculations (JSF Much cheaper than Gripen) and then positive outcome of joint simulations in Sweden combined with disasterous outcomes in their own secrete simulations in Norway, at last add the leaks from the US diplomatic messages about political pressure. “Well done Kim-il Stoltenberg”.

The front section of this aircraft looks fantastic. The mid and rear sections with boxy fuselage look disgusting. I got a very mixed feeling about this bird…

I think that its quite a clear and clever design, what is lacking in technology is compensated by size. Big size=space for all sensors, internal load, fuel=>very good RCS shaping =>big drag, thrust to weight problem. IMHO a very nice but expensive interceptor fighter/bombtruck!

Basics

Its really very simple, there are Fixed costs, Variable costs and lots in between. Every operator or accountant will draw the line in a different way. Hence comparing different reports is completely irrelevant, if in doubt pls check any basic book about accounting.

The Janes report despite its basic calculation, is very interesting because the same method is applied to all fighters.

Clearifcation on China

China is a great place in aspects that but a number of things has to be understood;
-I have detailed knowledge of many advanced composited and ALL Chinese products that I know of are A Tleast 10% lower in performance compared to their western counter parts.
-Even a simple hydrallic hos has several dozens of companied that are involved in the making. China has enormous quality problems in products of most products (I ve run a fty in the place for years I KNOW)There are probably several thousands of companied involved in making the parts for a fighter yet. Any Chinese product will have serious problems with availability and real performance is unlikely to come close to specs in real situations.
-Despite the best available workers compared to old/young in the history of mankind China has a slower growth rate than Japan & Korea at their similar stage of development. China will also get Europe old way before they get rich.
-The quality of their infrastructure, houses and most products that have been produced in these bubble years are very low (only 3-4 companies are making cementup to EU quality)
-Chinese are doing most things in a rush.
-Lets hope that they sort out their problems but I think that there are good reasons not to exaggerate the quality of the Chinese fighters and their future ability to sustain the present rate of development. To the Chinese Trolls in this thread, we are sorry for 19th certury, get over it and grow up!