RabieRE: My kind of car
😀 😀 😀
yes my town has two types of tourist
a) people looking at all the charles diken stuff (he lived here and based lots of tuff here)
b) people who are looking at te old naval base
WOW – what a town i live in
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RabieRE: My kind of car
😀 😀 😀
yes my town has two types of tourist
a) people looking at all the charles diken stuff (he lived here and based lots of tuff here)
b) people who are looking at te old naval base
WOW – what a town i live in
rabie :9
RabieRE: Echelon
1) why else do you think Fort mEad has the best computers in world
2) oi !!! thats my secret
persoanlly we should all say osam bin laden in every ocnvrsation jsut to crash thier computers }> }> }>
IMHO they don’t have neough opertives t sue this i the way we fear they do
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RabieRE: Echelon
1) why else do you think Fort mEad has the best computers in world
2) oi !!! thats my secret
persoanlly we should all say osam bin laden in every ocnvrsation jsut to crash thier computers }> }> }>
IMHO they don’t have neough opertives t sue this i the way we fear they do
rabie :9
RabieRE: Galileo
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 07-08-02 AT 04:14Â PM (GMT)]oh god here we go a mjor dissection…..
Like other major European projects such as the Airbus or Ariane,
airbus is great as it made (some }>) european plane makers viable
airena outs satalites up
both MAKE MONEY!!!
galileo wil lcost lots of meooney and will not make us (europe) money, nor is there a point (i will talk more latter)
likely to revolutionise society in the same way that the mobile phone has done in recent years
GPS is doing that – why does europe need its own version – come on a gps reciver dosen’t cost mucha nd the us is improving the system
GALILEO will afford considerable advantages in many sectors of the economy. In road and rail transport, for example, it will make it possible to predict and manage journey times, or, thanks to automated vehicle guidance systems, help reduce traffic jams and cut the number of road accidents. However, although transport by road, rail, air and sea is the example most frequently quoted, satellite radionavigation is also increasingly of benefit to fisheries and agriculture, oil prospecting, defence and civil protection activities, building and public works, etc. In the field of telecommunications, allied with other new technologies such as GSM or UMTS, GALILEO will increase the potential to provide positioning information as well as to provide combined services of a very high level.
have these people not herd of GPS or GLOSSNAS – why not use them ??? why waste billions on sending and building satalites
The role played by satellite global positioning systems in our everyday lives is set to grow considerably. The real impact of satellite global positioning on society and industrial development, as is the case for all major technical innovations, will become clear only gradually, even though many practical applications are already possible. While there is no question but that the future of guidance systems involves satellite radionavigation, there are sectors other than the transport sector which are already dependent on this new technology, even if they are not aware of the fact. This is true of the financial sector when it comes to determining the exact time of bank transactions. Some analysts regard satellite radionavigation as an invention that is as significant in its way as that of the watch: in the same way that no one nowadays can ignore the time of day, in the future no one will be able to do without knowing their precise location.
i don’t disagree with this but why do we need a diffrent one from GPS ????
WHY ???
Having control of the satellite constellation technology which is central to the system means having control of the many industrial applications made possible thanks to satellite positioning. The European Union cannot afford not to become involved in what, it is already clear, will be one of the main sectors of industry in the twenty-first century. That would mean becoming dependent on systems and technologies developed outside Europe for applications vital to the running of the society of tomorrow.
this amkes it sound like we are being blockaded by the USA and russia nad denied acces to their systems. we do not need “autarkey” (self sufficency).
the EU can afford not to be invloved because it wil cost us a shed load of cash to make and put the satalites in orbit
A system that both competes with and complements the American GPS system
a contridiction in terms ???
There are at present two radionavigation satellite networks in the world, one American (GPS), and one Russian (Glonass). Both were designed as military systems.
so what…..
Since the Russian system seems to have not succeeded in generating any significant civil applications, GALILEO offers a real alternative to the establishment of a de facto monopoly in favour of GPS and American industry.
a monopoly normally is bad BUT – prices have gone down, accuracy has got better, hence WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ???
GALILEO has been designed and developed as a non-military application, while nonetheless incorporating all the necessary protective security features. Unlike GPS, which was essentially designed for military use, GALILEO therefore provides, for some of the services offered, a very high level of continuity required by modern business, in particular with regard to contractual responsibility;
the us is hardley likley to turn GPS off as they want to use it, if they restrict it its hardley the end of the world as accruacy would go down to several meters -ohh no! what comercail application need the accuracy. we’ve been sued to restricted acesse so whats new ?
It is based on the same technology as GPS and provides a similar – and possibly higher – degree of precision, thanks to the structure of the constellation of satellites and the ground-based control and management systems planned;
why do we need more precise info – “my car is now eactly 13cm from the fast lane of the M25” – how does this help me ???
GALILEO is more reliable as it includes a signal “integrity message” informing the user immediately of any errors. In addition, unlike GPS, it will be possible to receive GALILEO in towns and regions located in extreme latitudes;
were spending billions to make an exisintg system work in cites – surley the US is already working on this.
It represents a real public service and, as such, guarantees continuity of service provision for specific applications. GPS signals, on the other hand, in recent years have on several occasions become unavailable on a planned or unplanned basis, sometimes without prior warning.
this is from the corupt EU that spends half its bidget on CAP, has soemthing like 7% of its bidget LOST ! and the accountants won’t sign the accounts off for years. the accoutnant brogught in to fix this has been shafted !!!
Using both infrastructures in a coordinated fashion (double sourcing) offers real advantages in terms of precision and in terms of security, should one of the two systems become unavailable;
The existence of two independent systems is of benefit to all users since they will be able to use the same receiver to receive both GPS and GALILEO signals.
totally uneccessary dupliction!!!
By the same token, Europe would have put itself out of the running had it abandoned the GALILEO programme.
can some one confirm for me that we are not at war with america!!!
NOW THE BEST BIT …..
GALILEO development and deployment costs, including the construction and launch of 30 satellites and the setting up of the ground-based component, have been evaluated by the Commission as €3.2 billion. It should be noted that the estimate given in the PricewaterhouseCoopers study is very similar to the Commission’s own figure. The difference of €200 million can be explained by the fact that PricewaterhouseCoopers includes a substantial allowance for risks and the construction of spare satellites.
[h1]€3.2 billion !!![/h1] of my taxpaying money is being wasted to produce something that already exits TWICE !!! 3.2 billion could be sent on sorting out coruption, CAP reform, feeding por africans, just about anything but triplicating satalite navigation ??? WTF!
Pricewatergousecoopers says the comission is 2000 million out !!! what have we here – more corrution }> are you sure they signed their estimate }>
[b]GALILEO is not expensive[/b] 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
oh and 3.2 billion is just small change hey, if thts spare be sure to sned some to my house
The price is equivalent to that of some 150 kilometres of semi-urban motorway or the cost of just one track of the main tunnel for the future high-speed rail link between Lyon and Turin.
im sure a motoway or railway line would be much more useful, or amybee some hospitals, or aid to africa or something but AGAIN why triplicate satalite navigation.
GALILEO will create more than 100 000 jobs and will generate service and equipment contracts estimated at approximately €9 billion per annum.
imsure given very little time i can think ofbetter job creation programes – the peole emplued are hight tech people with good well piad jobs alredy – the people need help are coal miner, steel workers and little farmer, starving afrians – NOT a scientist living in a huge house !!!
total wast of money
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RabieRE: Galileo
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 07-08-02 AT 04:14Â PM (GMT)]oh god here we go a mjor dissection…..
Like other major European projects such as the Airbus or Ariane,
airbus is great as it made (some }>) european plane makers viable
airena outs satalites up
both MAKE MONEY!!!
galileo wil lcost lots of meooney and will not make us (europe) money, nor is there a point (i will talk more latter)
likely to revolutionise society in the same way that the mobile phone has done in recent years
GPS is doing that – why does europe need its own version – come on a gps reciver dosen’t cost mucha nd the us is improving the system
GALILEO will afford considerable advantages in many sectors of the economy. In road and rail transport, for example, it will make it possible to predict and manage journey times, or, thanks to automated vehicle guidance systems, help reduce traffic jams and cut the number of road accidents. However, although transport by road, rail, air and sea is the example most frequently quoted, satellite radionavigation is also increasingly of benefit to fisheries and agriculture, oil prospecting, defence and civil protection activities, building and public works, etc. In the field of telecommunications, allied with other new technologies such as GSM or UMTS, GALILEO will increase the potential to provide positioning information as well as to provide combined services of a very high level.
have these people not herd of GPS or GLOSSNAS – why not use them ??? why waste billions on sending and building satalites
The role played by satellite global positioning systems in our everyday lives is set to grow considerably. The real impact of satellite global positioning on society and industrial development, as is the case for all major technical innovations, will become clear only gradually, even though many practical applications are already possible. While there is no question but that the future of guidance systems involves satellite radionavigation, there are sectors other than the transport sector which are already dependent on this new technology, even if they are not aware of the fact. This is true of the financial sector when it comes to determining the exact time of bank transactions. Some analysts regard satellite radionavigation as an invention that is as significant in its way as that of the watch: in the same way that no one nowadays can ignore the time of day, in the future no one will be able to do without knowing their precise location.
i don’t disagree with this but why do we need a diffrent one from GPS ????
WHY ???
Having control of the satellite constellation technology which is central to the system means having control of the many industrial applications made possible thanks to satellite positioning. The European Union cannot afford not to become involved in what, it is already clear, will be one of the main sectors of industry in the twenty-first century. That would mean becoming dependent on systems and technologies developed outside Europe for applications vital to the running of the society of tomorrow.
this amkes it sound like we are being blockaded by the USA and russia nad denied acces to their systems. we do not need “autarkey” (self sufficency).
the EU can afford not to be invloved because it wil cost us a shed load of cash to make and put the satalites in orbit
A system that both competes with and complements the American GPS system
a contridiction in terms ???
There are at present two radionavigation satellite networks in the world, one American (GPS), and one Russian (Glonass). Both were designed as military systems.
so what…..
Since the Russian system seems to have not succeeded in generating any significant civil applications, GALILEO offers a real alternative to the establishment of a de facto monopoly in favour of GPS and American industry.
a monopoly normally is bad BUT – prices have gone down, accuracy has got better, hence WHAT IS THE PROBLEM ???
GALILEO has been designed and developed as a non-military application, while nonetheless incorporating all the necessary protective security features. Unlike GPS, which was essentially designed for military use, GALILEO therefore provides, for some of the services offered, a very high level of continuity required by modern business, in particular with regard to contractual responsibility;
the us is hardley likley to turn GPS off as they want to use it, if they restrict it its hardley the end of the world as accruacy would go down to several meters -ohh no! what comercail application need the accuracy. we’ve been sued to restricted acesse so whats new ?
It is based on the same technology as GPS and provides a similar – and possibly higher – degree of precision, thanks to the structure of the constellation of satellites and the ground-based control and management systems planned;
why do we need more precise info – “my car is now eactly 13cm from the fast lane of the M25” – how does this help me ???
GALILEO is more reliable as it includes a signal “integrity message” informing the user immediately of any errors. In addition, unlike GPS, it will be possible to receive GALILEO in towns and regions located in extreme latitudes;
were spending billions to make an exisintg system work in cites – surley the US is already working on this.
It represents a real public service and, as such, guarantees continuity of service provision for specific applications. GPS signals, on the other hand, in recent years have on several occasions become unavailable on a planned or unplanned basis, sometimes without prior warning.
this is from the corupt EU that spends half its bidget on CAP, has soemthing like 7% of its bidget LOST ! and the accountants won’t sign the accounts off for years. the accoutnant brogught in to fix this has been shafted !!!
Using both infrastructures in a coordinated fashion (double sourcing) offers real advantages in terms of precision and in terms of security, should one of the two systems become unavailable;
The existence of two independent systems is of benefit to all users since they will be able to use the same receiver to receive both GPS and GALILEO signals.
totally uneccessary dupliction!!!
By the same token, Europe would have put itself out of the running had it abandoned the GALILEO programme.
can some one confirm for me that we are not at war with america!!!
NOW THE BEST BIT …..
GALILEO development and deployment costs, including the construction and launch of 30 satellites and the setting up of the ground-based component, have been evaluated by the Commission as €3.2 billion. It should be noted that the estimate given in the PricewaterhouseCoopers study is very similar to the Commission’s own figure. The difference of €200 million can be explained by the fact that PricewaterhouseCoopers includes a substantial allowance for risks and the construction of spare satellites.
[h1]€3.2 billion !!![/h1] of my taxpaying money is being wasted to produce something that already exits TWICE !!! 3.2 billion could be sent on sorting out coruption, CAP reform, feeding por africans, just about anything but triplicating satalite navigation ??? WTF!
Pricewatergousecoopers says the comission is 2000 million out !!! what have we here – more corrution }> are you sure they signed their estimate }>
[b]GALILEO is not expensive[/b] 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀
oh and 3.2 billion is just small change hey, if thts spare be sure to sned some to my house
The price is equivalent to that of some 150 kilometres of semi-urban motorway or the cost of just one track of the main tunnel for the future high-speed rail link between Lyon and Turin.
im sure a motoway or railway line would be much more useful, or amybee some hospitals, or aid to africa or something but AGAIN why triplicate satalite navigation.
GALILEO will create more than 100 000 jobs and will generate service and equipment contracts estimated at approximately €9 billion per annum.
imsure given very little time i can think ofbetter job creation programes – the peole emplued are hight tech people with good well piad jobs alredy – the people need help are coal miner, steel workers and little farmer, starving afrians – NOT a scientist living in a huge house !!!
total wast of money
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RabieRE: Galileo
it is expensive !!!
there is no cheap way of getting 20 satalites into earth orbit !!!
as i’ve said there is no need to independant of the us – if i were china i would make my own system but we aren’t! we aren’t a rouge nation – we are infact top line allies that get stuff like amraams with no questions.
all this is jsut set up by the french who want to piss the americans off even more – blame the frogs }> 😀 }>
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RabieRE: Galileo
it is expensive !!!
there is no cheap way of getting 20 satalites into earth orbit !!!
as i’ve said there is no need to independant of the us – if i were china i would make my own system but we aren’t! we aren’t a rouge nation – we are infact top line allies that get stuff like amraams with no questions.
all this is jsut set up by the french who want to piss the americans off even more – blame the frogs }> 😀 }>
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RabieRE: Echelon
the frogs }> don’t like it because its america, canada, uk, australia and NZ all spying together – rather than nato as a whole
spy agency’s normally never share much – i think only the CIA and SIS have a working relationship but even them don’t hsare everything
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RabieRE: Echelon
the frogs }> don’t like it because its america, canada, uk, australia and NZ all spying together – rather than nato as a whole
spy agency’s normally never share much – i think only the CIA and SIS have a working relationship but even them don’t hsare everything
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RabieRE: Your fav toy as a child?
LEGO rules !!!
i built huge military or space bases witht he lego space and pirates ranges – my ultiamte creation was a DIY pirate ship becasue i never ahd the money £50-70 to buy the real one
i aslo have laods of scalertics and model railyway stuff that was great fun but lego rules!
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RabieRE: Your fav toy as a child?
LEGO rules !!!
i built huge military or space bases witht he lego space and pirates ranges – my ultiamte creation was a DIY pirate ship becasue i never ahd the money £50-70 to buy the real one
i aslo have laods of scalertics and model railyway stuff that was great fun but lego rules!
rabie :9
RabieRE: Iraqi Invitation
if you ever read fredrick forsyth’s “the fist of god” then it explains this predicament very well
basically :-
the conservitive rarab states (gulf co-operation council) – ie the ones with all the oil. they feared iran more than sadam. they wanted protection . it would have been militaryy more practicle to drive stright to bagdad, igonred kuwait and just captured the city and accept iraq’s surrender.
apparently 60% of iraq is the iranian kind of islam (sorry – can’t rember name – sunni or sheite) and are ruled over but the ba’ath aprt that represents the 40% of the other kind of islam (tha smae as the arabs). coupled to this there are the marsh arabs and the kurd – both of whom would like independance (the kurd have defacto independance / autonomy in the north anyway.
anyway the break up of iraq is not favoured by yht gulf staes cos they see iraq as a means of stoppin iran.
syria and turkey don’t wany iraqi kurds getting a state
hence we ahve no bases to sue except carriers in the gulf
therefore i doubt anything will happen
IMHO this is smokescreen for higher defence spending, and an excuss to fly all over iraq doign an air campiagn like the start of the gulf war and like serbia in 99 – it would be politcally unacpetable and militarly difficult to move enough grunts and tanks in to capture iraq on the scale of the invasion of germany in 1945.
even if we did invade we would have to occupy the country and you just have to look at the west bank and gaza to see what would happen to our troop.
IMHO don’t even go there
rabie :9
RabieRE: Iraqi Invitation
if you ever read fredrick forsyth’s “the fist of god” then it explains this predicament very well
basically :-
the conservitive rarab states (gulf co-operation council) – ie the ones with all the oil. they feared iran more than sadam. they wanted protection . it would have been militaryy more practicle to drive stright to bagdad, igonred kuwait and just captured the city and accept iraq’s surrender.
apparently 60% of iraq is the iranian kind of islam (sorry – can’t rember name – sunni or sheite) and are ruled over but the ba’ath aprt that represents the 40% of the other kind of islam (tha smae as the arabs). coupled to this there are the marsh arabs and the kurd – both of whom would like independance (the kurd have defacto independance / autonomy in the north anyway.
anyway the break up of iraq is not favoured by yht gulf staes cos they see iraq as a means of stoppin iran.
syria and turkey don’t wany iraqi kurds getting a state
hence we ahve no bases to sue except carriers in the gulf
therefore i doubt anything will happen
IMHO this is smokescreen for higher defence spending, and an excuss to fly all over iraq doign an air campiagn like the start of the gulf war and like serbia in 99 – it would be politcally unacpetable and militarly difficult to move enough grunts and tanks in to capture iraq on the scale of the invasion of germany in 1945.
even if we did invade we would have to occupy the country and you just have to look at the west bank and gaza to see what would happen to our troop.
IMHO don’t even go there
rabie :9
RabieRE: Galileo
1) its a totally pointless wast of money
2) the current version of gps everyone can use – there is no longer a two tier system of mlitary and comercial – ie any set you buy now could guide a crusie missile }>
BUT…
the us warns everyone that it may turn off or restric / reintroduce the devide again in the time of war
3) hence GLOSNASS (splelling) exists – apparenlt y the chinese weapons use both.
4) going back to 1), why does europe america best ally need a seperate system ??? we are never going t be fighting them and launching 20 satlaites each with atomic clocks and whatnot is going to be very expensive
if we were planing to fight them or were planning to lunch a range of euro gps giuded bombs then maybee but the COST !!!
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