Just going back to this thread, I assume this is referring to the new collection started by Tony Raftis, as reported in the latest Classic Wings.
CW reports his Kittyhawk as P-40N-5 42-104947
A web search for this number seems to reveal it has been sourced from within Australia, and not New Zealand. Is this correct? Or is there a Kiwi connection? I’m sure it’s not an ex-RNZAF example as mentioned above.
Welcome Stuart,
Thanks for filling us in on that. Can you tell us a little more please? Albert stated your Oxford was ‘recovered’, was it on a dump? Or crashed? Or merely on a farm, etc? Where exactly is Whistlewind?
I’m looking forward to hearing updates of your project in the future, good to hear you plan to restore it. Feel free to drop into the NZ Aviation forum too, at http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/ if you like.
Cheers
Dave
In fact, you’d no doubt find this thread from my forum interesting about surviving Oxbox’s in NZ, which was sparked by that TradeMe one
http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Wartime&thread=1124411605&page=1
Just remembered also the Wigram one was a Consul, formerly and Oxford, and will be an Oxford again very soon.
Here is another thread you might enjoy a look at
http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Wartime&thread=1128490330&page=1
Is the Singapore Airlines one not at Mandeville, New Zealand any more then? Ryan? Or is this another one?
Yes, I was thinking of the Gulf Air Anson, sorry, the memory was blurring over on that one.
As for your list of Oxfords you’ve missed the example at the RNZAF Museum, Wigram which is being restored from a Canadian example using parts from RNZAF examples. Also the Subritzky family have a complete, immaculate absolutely wartime one which they’re reassembling at Dairy Flat in NZ.
There was the remains of another Oxford sold recently on TradeMe.co.nz as a restoration project kitset, and there’s another agin in an Australian museum sourced from NZ, in kitset form.
I’d like to know more about the Windwhistle one please – I’ve never heard of that place, and I have lived in Auckland. Maybe a country district in Auckland province?
Photos of an Oxford flying in 1969
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/221555/M/
Didn’t Singapore Airlines, or one of the Middle Eastern airlines (Gulf Air?) have one flying in the 1990’s?
Thanks for the excellent photos James. I am seriously considering scratchbuilding a 1/32nd scale Oxford, and such details will be a huge help. Sadly I cannot find drawings that have many sections. If anyone has accurate sectioned drawings that couls assist a sratchbuild of an Oxford, I’d love to hear from you please.
Nice, I love the Chippie and the Tiffie
Great stuff Glenn. Do you have any more? I’ve never seen toy planes photgraphed so well.
There are lots of Vincent and Vildebeest airframes in NZ recovered from dumps and crash sites.
The Subritzky family have the most complete one, which they’re restoring. It is Vincent NZ311, which was reduced to spares in 1944 at Ohakea and recovered from a dump by Don Subritzky.
The RNZAF Museum holds remains from Vincents NZ355 and NZ357, and Vildebeests NZ102 (which they’re restoring), NZ105, and NZ124. One of these was recovered from a dump at Marton by Don Subritzky and Charles Darby – Charles told me they saw a wingtip sticking out of the ground and thought it was a Harvard so went digging. That one went to Motat, and then when the RNZAF Museum restored the Motat Mosquito wing they were given the Motat Vincent/Vilde holdings.
I know that the fuselage remains of two further Vincents were recovered by a friend of mine, Dave Lockhead and his friends, from a dump in Blenheim. They were buried too and had to be archeologically excavated. So I doubt it’s these two.
These photos do look like Vincent/Vildebeest, I don’t know which one but I’d start with the Subritzkys as they’re the experts and this could be their machine. I’m sure an email to the RNZAF Museum would also provide more info, as they will know if it’s one of their’s. If you need any contact details Mark, PM me.
Dave Lockhead told me there are lots more remains that no-one knows about too, stored away by collectors. He did not elaborate as to where and owned by whom.
Dave – I guess a P-40 is somewhere in the region of $1.2 million plus – a Staggerwing probably $ 240,000 – I should imagine that it wasn’t a straight swap but those details are the remit of the parties concerned. As for whether it goes into British markings – again – up to the owner!
Thanks David. I wasn’t thinking of swapped in the monetary sense though, just that neither aircraft was new to the UK as the thread title mentioned. Nor is the Avenger also discussed. So, there is apparently no “New Warbird To UK”, or if there is, it ain’t these ones.
So these planes have swapped? So, what’s the aircraft that’s new to the UK then? That is the implication I read in the thread title. None of these aircraft discussed seem to be new to the UK.
From here
http://www.fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/Staggerwing/index.php
“This historic warbird has quite a history. Built as a UC-43B (military version of the Beech 17 Staggerwing) for the US Navy as BuNo 23689 (probably not applied) and then allocated serial 44-67724. It passed to the Royal Navy under Lend-Lease agreement becoming FT475 and operating from Scotland.
After the war it returned to the US Navy as BuNo 32874 before becoming civilian owned, carrying registrations NC1193V and N1193V.
The aircraft arrived at TFC in December 2005″
It’s not that far to go.
I was down there a few months back and the Freighter didn’t look to be in particularly good condition externally. I hope they do it up a bit.
This Freighter, incidentally, was a cafe at Waihi before going to Waitomo.
Peter,
If it helps, the RNZAF Museum at Wigram is restoring an Oxford, and the Ashburton Aviation Museum, a little further south, is restoring a full cockpit. So they probably have drawings. Their contact details are to be found on this site here
http://www.warbirds.co.nz/sites.htm
Another place to try, also on that site, is the Croydon Aircraft Company at Mandeville as they’re also restoring an Oxford. And of course there’s the Subritzky family who’re reassembling their absolutely original kitset form Oxford. At least one of these groups has to have drawings. I hope this helps.