they can’t !
Wait… may be we could ask BAE to do it for us 😀

Perhaps thats why the Dassault price is so high, they keep putting the bribe costs back on top of the aircraft price!!

That’s the difficulty BAE faced with having the personal customer and nation as one.

The money paid into a kingdoms account went into the personal accounts of the rulers. that made it very hard to separate business and possible personal payments.

I wonder if the UAE has the same sort of accounting practices.

I have another possible name – Rafale ‘MR2’ (PS its only funny in French)

So the UAE are happy with the French governments efforts to sell the Rafale, it just needs Dassault to greatly modify its proposal, its obviously not a few minor points that are the issue .

This seems like a slap in the face to Dassault at first glance.
But it suggests to me the Rafale is still in the lead.

I don’t think Eurofighter can be confident here, But business wise I would think that Eurofighter low ball their offer to UAE just to screw with Dassault.:dev2:

Perhaps even propose a loss making deal if they feel that the UAE will choose Rafale anyway on political grounds.

Ah wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall at those Dassault and Eurofighter meetings, I think my French vocabulary would be expanded greatly.:diablo:

Cheers

More likely a manager has instructed them to counter Rafale press over Libya.

TBH I don’t see anything much different to what all defence companies put out in such circumstances, though the French have the advantage that their media tend to put out the message for them, and the US have the advantage that senior officers do it. (gross simplification but with a lot of truth)

Its been done in a bit of a rush, there are duplicated paragraphs where editing has been done.

So its tone is different and done in a rush!

Each customer nation has chosen to utilise different levels of industrial support, demonstrating the aircraft’s suitability to adapt to each nation’s individual requirements. The role that local industry plays in this process is one demonstration of how this relationship brings greater value for money to the Typhoon customers. Platform increasing sustainment costs are a concern for all customers because as they age, they risk demanding a greater proportion of the overall defence budget, which in themselves are shrinking. The Eurofighter Typhoon fleet is at the beginning of its weapon system life cycle, and is starting to reap the budgetary benefits of maturity, having reached over 130,000 flight hours.

Each customer nation utilises various levels of industry support, a remarkable achievement unique to Typhoon, demonstrating the aircraft’s suitability to adapt to each nation’s individual requirements. Taking into account the role that local industry plays in this process, recognises how this relationship brings greater value for money to customers. The threat of increasing costs of sustainment is a concern for all weapon systems because as they age, they risk demanding a greater proportion of the overall defence budget, which in itself is most likely shrinking. Fortunately, the Eurofighter Typhoon fleet is at the beginning of its weapon system life cycle, and is starting to reap the budgetary benefits of maturity having just reached 130,000 flight hours.

There are two paragraphs left in directly after one another, i.e. not proof read carefully, each one tells the same thing, but which one is the improved version?

cheers

I like some of the comments coming out of Dubai

Taking off from Gioia del Colle in Italy, Patounas met up with his wingman (in this event in a Tornado) off the Libyan coast, from where they were directed to Bani Walid. They located and attacked a tank, loitering in the area for an hour.

Reports of gunfire then resulted in them being vectored to Sirte, where they discovered nothing more lethal than a local firework display, patrolling for another hour.

The pair were then called to Waddon, where they attacked and destroyed two multiple rocket launchers and a pair of ‘technicals’ (armed pick-up trucks).

Patounas finally returned to base seven hours and 15 minutes after taking off, after four air-to-air refuelling contacts.

“It was like taking off from Oslo, finding a tank in London, watching fireworks in Paris, and then attacking technicals and MRLs in Luxembourg, before finally flying back to land in Oslo,” Patounas said, in an effort to illustrate the distances involved.

Doest that just sum it up really well!!
source
http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/dubai-2011-raf-typhoon-pilot-outlines-his-longest-mission.html

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I wonder how much this hangs on the MMRCA deal, if Rafale wins, they will more than likely have the money to produce some of the upgrades.

Typhoon has already said they will invest in the AESA (and put their money where their mouth is, whatever the outcome), whilst Daussault seem to be very much stalling on the offer.

AESA details in the new Eurofighter magazine -confirmed entry to service 2015

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/downloads/efworld/ef-world-03_2011web.pdf

Word of warning, Its not nice reading for Rafale fans..:o (page 10 – ouch)

seeing as how many, including me.. and including you
think india, switzerland, uae, is waiting on India to ride off their order..

what would brazil do if India chose typhoon seeing as how they already eliminated it.. go for Shornets or Grimpon?

They must be nuts:)- First I supposed they would wonder what was wrong with their evaluation process!! but Rafale is the best of the remaining contenders.

I also think that the Rafale choice would be like a brazillian!, looks nice but a painful experience.

(I’M JOKING!!:dev2:)

Very soon after the Libyan campaign started, BAE Systems introduced a system for the RAF’s Typhoon fleet which pre-programmes known threats (from the air and ground from a particular area they’re due to operate in) into the Typhoon’s sub-systems & weapons systems. Sort of like a memory card for a computer games console so to speak. From what I can remember & from what I understand, it was/is quite a straight forward system to get to know.

IIRC “it” doesn’t actually have a name, from what I can gather it’s just a simple “add-on”, if you like. Maybe this was the “weapons mod” they speak of?

There is a threat system at air warfare control that links deployed Typhoons to a common and national threat library, as soon as a new threat is identified that information is sent to the deployed maintenance crews who can upload it for the next flight.

Apparently jamming techniques work in the same way.

Rafale may only be cheaper if Dassault quote their best price. If Eurofighter quote their best price against an inflated Rafale price, what happens then? Does UAE abandon the whole thing? They have perfectly useable fighters in their arsenal, don’t they?

And when both parties quote their best price they are virtually identical.:diablo: