The point is the F-35 is designed to live and even thrive in a High Threat Enviroment.

Scooter you put great store in the Stealth characteristics of the JSF, so much in fact that you say a confrontation with a Eurocanard is a forgone conclusion.

Why not put the same amount of faith in a towed decoy or active radar stealth?

If I was to put as much faith in those systems the poor JSF wouldn’t stand a chance!
Every target disappears from its sensors as active radar jamming starts and any missiles blindly fired would be harmlessly seduced by a towed decoy if it was lucky enough to be fired in the right direction…..

I think you would find that any potential JSF adversary would not play the JSF’s game by cavorting around the sky blasting radar waves everywhere while waiting for inbound missiles.

They would use their superior speed and agility (I assume you are willing to concede the JSF is inferior in these areas) as their leverage.

The Typhoon with its radar swashplate design can break from the merge earlier and with the longer ranged missiles would easily put the JSF at a distinct disadvantage. (note the Swashplate design is at the same stage as the JSF:))

You use the JSF stealth as a mitigation of this, however how does the JSF find the Eurocanards??? it must transmit unless it uses passive IRST, but then the forward looking Pirate has better resolution and arcs of view for AtoA so advantage with the Eurocanard.

I’m a little confused as to why you say the JSF is superior, can you explain its tactics against the Eurocanards and the methods it would use to target and prosecute a Eurocanard?. (just a paragraph or two explaining this ‘invincible’ tactic).

Cheers

Norway (~50?), Denmark (~50?), Netherlands (80+?), Turkey (100+?) and probably some others I have missed.

You forgot Australia 100 and Israel 20…

Remember these figures are subject to large variances (downward:))

And how many export orders has the Typhoon taken from the JSF..

~700ish give or take a few dozen……:), and those 700 are contracted.

The Rafale/Mac analogy is good — however I believe that also the Typhoon is more analogus to a Mac than a PC.

Mac??? – IIRC the Tiffy does have a few ruggedised G4 or G5’s in the DASS… however I still think the Tiffy is definitely the PC, the Rafale looks too pretty to be a PC…;)
once you start looking there are many more parallels.. 🙂

Cheers

Just for balance…this is the same country that may be about to elect people to government who on national tv, claim that mice are being breed with “fully functioning human brains.”
btw it’s spelt whether…

And apparently vice versa..:)

Sorry for dragging up a post from a page or two back but I cant resist.

Its sad news indeed and the investigation into what happened during take off will hopefully determine the cause and prevent further incidents.

My thoughts are with the pilots family and friends.

regards

John

Soon to be followed by anonymous allegations of kickbacks, cancellation and re-tender. Fightergate, here we come!:(

This is modern India – not some third world country that can’t even manage a tanker competition that’s fair…:dev2:

Regards

hello JWcook,

i think that if the tornados are doomed then typhoon is going to have to live up to its full capability. bright adder looks like it relates to an electronic attack Typhoon for the RAF alone right?

i think i was just trying to say that the 2 countries that will operate the typhoon and f35 together will mainly use the typhoon for a2a missions rather than the f35.

but then of course, it seems i have very little understanding of stealth and such doohickies, so you will have to excuse me if i am gibbering in a clueless fashion…

Your not gibbering at all, that’s the plan right there, but if the Typhoon has enhanced AtoG modes and Electronic Attack, then the need for the F-35 diminishes..

So look for drastic reductions in numbers purchased vs the original plans.. of ~150 UK JSF!! not a chance.

I reckon around 75 (at most) if the carrier survives and the new government is feeling generous, so look for a firm commitment of ~40 from the UK if all goes well with the program in the next year or so.

Cheers

looks like a wing stall…:o

But if you look closely at the starboard engine… is that out?