I used to like r.a.m. and s.m.n. but they kept getting swamped with spam so I quit going there. I really liked the places. Lots of REAL pilots. Ah well. 🙁 (LOL, I had to chuckle at Mary’s comment.)

I just realised how far we go back!!, we should be sitting on the porch and yelling at strangers!! LOL

I would love to take that wager (If you mean what I think you mean).

To paraphrase – Do you mean the RAF will operate the JSF as the Hi end of a High Low mix with the Typhoon being the Low end even for air defence???:eek:
If thats so then I wager a decent bottle of rum.:)

But I fear that if the UK doesn’t buy it as you fortell, then you may still interpret it as a successful sale and a bet won due to some twisted logic….

You must admit that your definitions of successful/doing well/affordable are somewhat different to the norm.

Cheers

according to you, isnt the international version 95% wrong and 5% right 😀
even though it has been stated all are the same

International partner versions Hmmm. how best explain that they can be 100% the same, but still different.

Lets say you bought a house exactly the same as your neighbour, but your neighbour has the keys to the locked two back rooms and you are not allowed to have those keys in your possession, or even look into the windows of those rooms.

The houses are exactly the same, you just can’t access them ‘at will’ in the same way.

Now Imaging you have a very pretty nymphomaniac gymnastic student turn up with a desperate need of a room.

Both you and your neighbour want her to stay in their respective houses, do you think you could trust your neighbour to ‘find’ the spare keys in time, or do you think he might just use it to his advantage.

Now imagine your neighbour isn’t known for his alturistic personality and has spent $2 billion on making sure you don’t get the keys.

Now apply that to the JSF, The only difference is who’s going to get screwed.:D

Cheers

oh? are you saying India will pull a Brasil on us? :diablo:

That sounds painful…

India has certain requirements with regard to her neighbours, look at what her neighbours have and then look at what aircraft would be best suited to beat them.

Then look at ToT, then look at politics.

I think this is the order of preference, and if it is thi scould be a very interesting competition.

cheers

Source :- JSF DTSO Evaluation

The document uses highly undiplomatic language to trash the performance of the warplanes used by Australia’s closest allies.

Anyone have the complete copy?

Cheers

My mistake.. 😉

Oh My..It makes the chances of the British escaping even more remote.. (you can spot the dirt from the tunnels easier from the air ) 😀

Cheers

I’m not worried about a month or 2. Even if alleged disastrous news is revealed, I think the F-35 program is bulletproof…

I have sufficently recovered from my BBQ and drinkup..:cool:

It certainly is cast iron at the moment (there is no plan B!), But I remember a time when the F-22 seem to be made of teflon… I think there will be a couple of reports that will not be welcomed in the next few weeks, and then theres the usual grace period ( 12 months) where the program lurches from one hiccup to another while the spin doctors say lets wait till the latest changes go through the system.

So heres my prediction – very bumpy in the next two months and then very exciting in and around 14 months when some partners will be cornered.

Don’t know what you’re referring to here, mate…

Just wondering – Whats your thoughts on the JSF UPC price at which the program start to fall apart, or at what date do the partners opt out because its too late? some in the program would find it easier than others to opt out..

I.e UPC= US$110m and another 18 months!

Cheers

Are these prices accurate for the rafale??

Source http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/112431/french-auditor-reveals-weapon-prices%2C-a400m-details.html

I thought it was quite a bit cheaper, and quite surprised at the Tigre too.

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