Thats the odd thing!!

we double-checked our numbers with our Requirements Directorate, and the numbers listed on the F-22 fact sheet are correct.

the figures in the fact sheet is 18,000lbs not 20,469lbs.

This 18,000 is confirmed by the F-22 test director, and the Air Combat Command Public Affairs, your figure is supported by the Technical orders which has been directly denied by the same source, and this assertion is supported by some shoddy work on the previous TO which also quoted the 20,649lbs figures.

Just suppose the USAF may be lying and the real figure is 20,649 but for what purpose?, it doesn’t make much sense to actually lie about it.

IMHO I think the 20,649lbs figure is demonstratively weak.

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Ah thanks for that..

I seen a rumour over on PPrune that the latest Typhoon incident on landing had worn away the rear wing/fuselage into the engines which caused it to catch fire and there were dark streaks on the fin.

Nothing as yet confirmed, and if its arrived back yet is still a mystery.

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The MOD have released this:-

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said last night: “The damage to aircraft is still to fully assessed and as a Board of Inquiry has been convened it would not be appropriate to comment further until investigations are complete.

They do not usually comment on incidents until this has occurred, If it is pilot error then a grounding isn’t necessary, a grounding hasn’t been ordered so it seems that pilot error is at least suspected, or at least a circumstance that isn’t systemic.

Re the Mach limitation, I can’t remember the exact details or if it was a magazine/personal contact, I hear an awful lot regarding the Typhoon, I only ever repeat what I truly think are genuine and would be of interest to many here.

I’ve looked for the post but can’t find it, if you do find it I may be able to recall more info.

I have a vague recollection that the Typhoon was limited during its test and development and even during its initial delivery, that said it should be all fine and dandy now (at least I hope so).

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It’ll be interesting to see what factors were involved…

ISTR cockpit footage of a Typhoon flying upside down with Naggin Nora saying ‘fuel low’ or similar due to the gauges in the tanks showing low fuel while inverted, if the pilot get loads and loads of warnings with if’s and but’s attached they soon switch off – if not physically then mentally.

Warnings should be rare and only be given if there a clear danger, and they shouldn’t be conditional (i.e. you can ignore ‘low fuel’ if your flying inverted), that way when it warns you you bloody listen.

Does anyone know just how much Nora nags?? (and is there a male counterpart voice for non critical info)

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@Jwcook.
I fail to understand, after all the efforts made by some journalists to promote the aircraft through medias and forums, why propagating such unwelcome (for Eurofighter i’m sure) news?
I seems to remember though that you posted some information regarding some MoD report on an imposed Mach limit some time ago, could you please tell me where you did read this?
Anyway what is your opinion on the impact this could have on the future developement and sales of Typhoon?

Regards. L.A.

I’ll promote all news regarding the Eurofighter both good and bad, admittedly I’m a fan of the Typhoon, IMHO even bad news should be released to the world as keeping it hidden gives it more leverage to do harm, especially as detractors can add whatever misinformation they want without contradiction.

I can’t remember where the imposed Mach limit reference came from!, but i would have to have a very credible source to mention actual figures.

Jackonicko has posted a good appraisal of the impact of this incident, he is in a far better position to know what the latest scuttlebutt is..

Jackonicko wrote:

The Typhoon involved has not been categorised Cat 5,

Good glad to hear it, Cat 5 was just mentioned immediately after the accident, and not having seen the footage/pictures I went with that.

But I would be very surprised to see it flying any time soon, whatever happened to aircraft BI?, and what Cat was that.. that at least looked like it could be repaired at least to the untrained eye and that was a couple of years ago.

Confession time – I worked in a car yard many many years ago, a new nose and some racing stripes to hide the scratches, a rego change, and the compulsory sawdust in the gearbox. I’d have had BI out the door in a week. 😮

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Ah thanks for that!, I was under the impression that they were going ‘hell for leather’ to get it qualified for deployment in June/July. hmm seems they are backing away from that now.:confused:

I suppose its sensible if its not ready yet, but it would look good for potential customers.

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The non confirmed story/rumour/gossip is:-

All three wheels up.
Pilot didn’t eject, he just opened canopy when the noise stopped and stepped out.
C-17 dispatched to retrieve cat 5 damaged aircraft.
and don’t forget the centerline targeting pod rumour!!. which was/is quite a rare item.:dev2:

I want to know if the typhoons refueling probe was out or not.. that will tell you quite a bit.