Actually, I’m saying “If there is nothing but a bunch of blokes gabbing on the internet, with nothing to support their statements, then I question whether it happened”; and “if it is confirmed by a reliable source (and Joe Blow who is a journo or claims to be at the airbase and makes unsubstantiated claims is NOT “reliable” in my book), then I will believe it!
The source [internet, magazine, newspaper, TV News report…] doesn’t matter, just the existence of something more than “I have heard” or “guess what I saw” is all I was asking for.
Ah you mean like the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, I saw the pictures of those in the newspaper π …
Sometimes people can’t say where they heard something or they might be unable to substantiate because of confidentiality etc.. … it might just be ‘gabbing’ but there are several people that post here who have very good contacts and when you get to know those who continue to provide reliable snippets and info it all becomes a lot easier to sort out the wheat from the chaff, basically its a judgment call.:)
The BOI has been setup for this matter and as said before they haven’t been grounded, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.
Even If it is pilot error, then maybe there should a review of warnings and processes during landing, this may sound harsh but from the program point of view I hope it is the pilot who had a careless moment.
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Was there anything special attached on the centerline when it landed?. targeting pod?
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Hmm… its entirely possible for it to be a wind up!, but theres a few talking about it..
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=324314
http://fightercontrol.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36832&start=10
plus some other sources….
I’m sure all will become known sooner or later.
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Anyone near to China Lake who can phone the base PR people to get some info?.
Can you actually land a Typhoon wheels up without warnings going off (Nagging Nora), I imagine that getting 3 greens but no wheels is a big technical error.
This would be quite a news item if its not the pilots fault.:eek:, apparently he’s OK, but the aircraft is a writeoff.
Hmm no pictures yet… but 17 are out there, with 11 squadron recent arrivals too.
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It will be interesting to see what Eurofighters response is!!.
Nothing looks like it has materially changed from when Eurofighter withdrew, it doesn’t make much strategic sense for Eurofighter to fight a lopsided competition, but with the JSF getting more expensive and delivery dates getting further away, they may have a slim chance.
Do you think they should reenter the comp or is it biased too far?
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LOL.. yeah that 25% isn’t going to be easy with compulsory croissants each morning! BTW The reporter Ji Row has been a little unstable recently. π
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LOL yes.. I agree it should be able to handle it, but its not its primary function, and its just getting its AtoG stuff together, even inept people using old equipment can sometimes get a result (such as the USS Cole).
That really shook the USN.
My concern for the Typhoon is one or two systems with a highly trained operator, with the support of a half decent intelligence network, getting into the right place at the right time, for example that rocket attack against RAF Harriers in Kandarhar ~2001 that was quite a result from a basic weapon used with intelligence.
I think they should wait till all the AtoG functions are ready and tested before any deployment, any gap in its suite of defences or glitches that could cause multiple overflights of a target, could be very costly, vs the PR benefit of Typhoon being used operationally.
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Its not totally off topic re weapons in Afghanistan, If the Typhoon is deployed there they are the threats it has to face, its not beyond impossible that one could slip through and cause an incident that cast the Typhoon in a bad light… and that could only help manufacturers of other competing aircraft!!.
Blimey I sound like a conspiracy nut..;-)
One of the most feared weapons for the Taliban was the Hind, but thats was way back when the Taliban were ‘freedom fighting heroes’ who were trained and supplied by the CIA/western intelligence agencies and the Russians were the Invaders.. Hmmm… its funny how much things change.. I guess the Apache is now the obvious choice.
Off topic – Does anyone know if the Russians do the same sort of thing to the West now? i.e. supply advanced Surface to air missiles to the Taliban? (as Stingers were smuggled in to deal with the Russian aircraft).
Re Afganistan.
I hope they don’t deploy Typhoon, its really not totally ready as a good CAS AtoG platform, there are better suited aircraft at this time Tornado/harrier, the fall out from any kind of accident or mishap in that role would do more damage than it being shown to be ooperating somewhere sandy..
Mind you the RAF could do with a few A-10’s for that particular role.
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Might be easier if we just listed the places the F-22 wasn’t!! LOL…
Hey Scorps! whats your take on the Indian competition?, seems some good noises are being made at least at this early stage, IMHO Typhoons is shaping up to be more than a stalking horse in the Indian competition – at least so far….
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Well South Spain is also very hot and sandy
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Yes it is hot n sandy…. but the “international operations” bit that had me wondering!, what international operations could have fed back such information to the EJ200 guys.. the Typhoon Meet deployment was a little too short to base any engine reliability comments on!, whereas the Nevada deployment was for months and months.. (you know the one – where ‘nothing happened’ π )
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βDuring the EJ200 test programme we conducted extensive trials involving exposure to sand. Moreover, the feedback we get from core nations operating the engine under comparable conditions on international operations is good.β
Who has these deployed in international operations in the desert?? I can only think of the RAF in Nevada!
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Let’s see a single Typhoon take on 6-8 F-15C’s always winning and never letting your opponent see you!
Remember the byword……..FIRST LOOK, FIRST SHOT, FIRST KILL!:diablo:
The five day training exercise, known as Operation Typhoon Meet, began on Monday, March 10 at Moron Air Base near Sevilla.
Up to 70 different aircraft flew in the training areas over Toledo, Albacete and Huelva each day.
The British contingent of four Eurofighters came from No 3 and 11 Squadrons at RAF Coningsby.
Squadron Leader Mike Baulkwill said that the exercise proved to be a great success, with Coningsby suffering no losses in the combat simulations and defeating the other types of aircraft that were present.
Now you show me the US producing the same number of Raptors as Typhoons. LOL:D
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Since when is the EF2000 cheaper than the F35 ????
since when was there a definite price for the F-35:dev2:.
Look at the prices quoted for the f-22 during its prototype-test-production phases.. the F-35 matches that same price increase slope at this early stage.. its looking like an easy +US$100m aircraft if and only if they manage the project better than the F-22 and there are no problems, if its roughly the same then your looking at ~US$120m a piece.
Go on go look at historic price quotes for the F-22 and F-35 and then graph it. then you won’t be surprised at the costs.:D , FYI the expensive/inflationary bit for the F-35 is coming with production as it did with the F-22.
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