You’d could assume from this the Typhoon has already made the cut technically, but price, delivery and offsets are still to be tested.
It sure looks like a good sign at this stage… but Typhoons price doesn’t match the Indian budget i.e. 126 Typhoons busts the Indian MRCA stated budget – solutions include buying fewer Typhoons, or increase the budget.
(funds allocated = Rs. 42000 crore ~Approx. £5.33B) or approximately 85 Typhoons – you can insert your own price here, £41M flyaway/£61M system Note I used the £61M price
Depends if the extra capability and availability of Typhoon can offset fewer aircraft, so its a difficult one for the Typhoon, not impossible though, offsets/ToT may be the key here for Eurofighter GmbH.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
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I have to wonder why people change press releases!!.
http://www.baesystems.com/Newsroom/NewsReleases/autoGen_108119143033.html has the following:-
Typhoon is the world’s most advanced new generation swing-role combat aircraft available on the market and has been ordered by six nations (Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom,
but this link has the following..
http://frontierindia.net/typhoon-operational-delivery-success-as-fleet-passes-35000-hours
Typhoon is among one of the world’s below 5th generation swing-role combat aircraft available on the market and has been ordered by six nations (Germany, Italy, Spain, United Kingdom,
Why do they do that??
And finally in the ‘did they mean to say this’ category..
He said human-machine interface of the typhoon guarantees very easy handling qualities, which allows the pilot to concentrate on the mission at hand.
Benin said his company was expecting orders for these aircraft from Greece, Turkey, Switzerland and Japan.
Apparently EADS Military Air Systems Communication Head Theodore Benien told PTI the above…
thats quite an expectation… 😉
You have to wonder about VAT…
The price the UK government pays includes VAT..
The recipient of that VAT is the UK Government… Hmmmmm
So correct me if I’m wrong but any price stated for the UK is 17.5% more expensive that it actually costs to make due to VAT..!? (Note:- Exports are not subject to VAT)
So the UK pays a 17.5% premium to itself… and gets tax relief on that 17.5% – so does that mean in effect its ~35% cheaper than the ticket Price…HMMMMMMMMMM
Please feel free to shoot this full of holes. 😉 LOL
The choice of this aircraft has become the most obvious example of egregious, even capricious, turn that defence decision-making had taken under the previous government and as a result it is particularly vulnerable to being overturned.
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The RBE2 can work simultaneously in ATG and ATA which is impossible for the mechanical CAPTOR.
err… The Typhoon can interleave its AtoA and AtoG modes too, the mechanical scan on the Typhoon is that fast, not as fast as an AESA but apparently fast enough, you might want to compare search ranges for both ;-).
BTW both radars are slated to be ‘upgraded’ to a full AESA.
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I thought the definition of supercruise was only the F-22 can do it???
Surely they mean the F-16 can spiffingcruise, when its hanging around the M1.2 to M1.4 regime.. 😉
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Could you target a carrier using a magnetic anomaly detector MAD similar to the ones on the back of maritime patrol aircraft?.
can you shield that sort of magnetism effectively?
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A year or or so ago I heard that the F-35 and Typhoon would share an almost identical MMH/FH, the Typhoon is contracted at 9 but was exceeding that IIRC ~6-7.
That means the F-35 LO isn’t such a huge burden, but it is comparing a twin to a single jet, so there is some extra involved with the JSF provided the estimated times are realised.
Sorry can’t provide a source.. take it for what its worth.
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So far there are 87 export orders , recently Eurofighter has exited the Norwegian and Danish competitions, but is now likely to be included in the “new” Australian evaluation, there are several other possibles including Japan and India.
The Norwegian and Danish competitions are interesting because of the impact to those competitions citing ‘bias’ towards the JSF bid as it requires no offsets, now its unlikely to change the competitions, but could prove very interesting if Dave (JSF) is delayed or the price increase significantly.
Those two countries were IMHO doing a really good job of screwing all the competing companies down to a really good deal, seems Eurofighter doesn’t want to play that game if the conclusion is forgone, this tactic by Eurofighter may prove to be the correct one in the long term.
The ‘New’ Australian evaluation will be really interesting, the new government will seek access to the F-22, it seems unlikely the US will allow Australia to buy the F-22 without expensive anti tamper mods, something that would be prohibitively expensive to implement, and would carry a higher risk to a program that is already stressed, Russian and European aircraft are included at present, but it remains to be seen if Eurofighter will bid as the previous governments actions left Eurofighter fuming and of the opinion they would only talk to Australia if they came to them with an offer to Buy Eurofighters, it remains to be seen if the change of Government has changed Eurofighters stance.
The Australian defence minister to his credit has said they would first work out exactly what the mission requirements are and then the aircraft which best fits the bill, including a review of the Super hornet purchase that took everyone by surprise
The Last two mentioned ‘Japan and India’ are really unique, they do not represent the usual export markets for top end fighters by European manufacturers and as such are very difficult to say if the Typhoon stands any chance or if its being used as a stalking horse as in Denmark and Norway, industrial offsets seem to be a large part of the equation and Eurofighter just may be in a good position to push their product.
With Dave’s ambitious progress expectations and its price creep, there may be significant opportunity to exploit these weaknesses, and with UAV’s now being taken very seriously the JSF may be a little too late.
I’d be interested in others opinions and rumours, and looking forward to any Typhoon deployment to far flung places as part of an export drive.
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Why are the air data vanes so hot just behind the nosecone??
it looks pretty good otherwise.
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re typhoon landing distance:-
http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/nao_reports/03-04/0304195.pdf
page 13,162
The one missed Key User Requirement is historic and relates to Typhoon landing distance.
Refined modeling carried out to support the 1994 reorientation submission indicated that in the most adverse conditions the specified landing distance would not be achieved – this was accepted by the Equipment Approvals Committee.
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700m has been quoted but I don’t know if this was the original or the new accepted figure!.
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I have heard that the landing distance of the Tyhoon was the one parameter in its initial requirements that wasn’t met or exceeded, but that it wasn’t busted by too much.
Anyone confirm any actual figures?
So why the need for better low speed handling?? – Typhoon N doesn’t seem so silly.. though still quite unlikely.
Thanks Keksi… that picture is excellent..
It looks more like aerodynamic/rcs reduction than anything else!!, notice the gun port modification!! this looks more suited to the faster speeds.
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The interesting thing about the other side is the gun port is in that blunt wing root!!, a picture of that side would be worth a thousand words!.
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