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  • in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2476506
    echonine
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    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081002/117390757.html

    See guys, according to Scooter, Sukhoi are just idiots, who make prototypes just for kicks. I mean the 2011+ deliveries to the RuAF are complimentary of Sukhoi, that’s how much they love the Russian government. :rolleyes:

    http://www.mnweekly.ru/news/20080710/55337390.html

    Deliveries of the new aircraft, billed as “4++ generation using fifth-generation technology,” to foreign clients will start in 2011, the chief executive of the Sukhoi aircraft maker said earlier on Monday.

    “We have a large number of orders for this aircraft. Deliveries will be made both for the Russian Air Force and foreign clients… We will start deliveries in 2011,” Mikhail Pogosyan said.

    No, Pogosyan isn’t going to fax anyone here a copy of the contract. :rolleyes:

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2476509
    echonine
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    Well, obviously Russia doesn’t agree for the need of the Su-35 as a stop-gap. Otherwise, it would have ordered the type in large numbers. Especially, considering the PAK-FA is not far off…………………..Clearly, the RuAF doesn’t believe in the Su-35 or just plain doesn’t have the funds to aquire it!:o

    This is the worst post ever from you so far LOL! 😀

    You just know so much more than the top brass in the RuAF, almighty Scooter, seer of the future!

    Maybe you should actually read up news on the RuAF than trash talking the Russians here? :rolleyes:

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2476992
    echonine
    Participant

    That’s what simulators/trainers are for. The USAF pilots transitioning from the F-15/16 to the Raptor, didn’t need their previous aircraft outfitted with Raptor cockpits/avionics. It just seems awfully expensive to use Su-35s as trainers.

    They need new aircraft, and the Su-35 will be ready before the T-50, so, they are going to acquire it for a while – until the T-50 is ready to roll out.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2477406
    echonine
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    But it’s sure that su 35 will be the at least twice cheaper for the Ruaf when compare with the PAK-FA.And as you know USA will get increadable amounts of F-35.Then what will Ruaf do?I think it’s impossible that Russia can spend money as much as USA.Maybe half money is sensible for now!And using very old Su 27 airframes are not sensible when compare with Su 35!I think best choise is the is filling the gap with Su 35 almost PAK FA enters the service.Than they should also get to the 2 seater version and improved bombing capasity PAK FA’s together with the Su 34 aircrafts.

    It’s also possible the Russians spend half the money, yet get the same amount of jets. It won’t be quite that extreme, but probably not far from the truth. 😉

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2477451
    echonine
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    It’s well known that many in the Russian AF are not too keen on the Su-35 – for every Su-35 delivered in 2015, it means that there will be one less PAK-FA delivered in 2020… Su -35 is seen as a huge distraction of skilled personnel, plant and money from the more important goal of getting PAK-FA into service.
    What was wrong with the Su-27SM project as a stopgap until the intoduction of PAK-FA?:confused:
    Certainly the original basic Su-27 airframe should be competitive until 2020…?:confused:

    For every Su-35 not delivered, one PAK-FA less will fly since pilots will be a little lost going from semi-computerized Su-27SMs to fully digital T-50s.

    Better get Su-35 and one less PAK-FA than one less PAK-FA and one less Su-35 right? 😉

    In all seriousness though, each Su-35 is worth it since they bridge the gap between aircraft generations.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2478096
    echonine
    Participant

    The Su-35BM is a modification of the the Su-27 similar the F-15, when the F-35 is something like the PAK-FA. 😉

    :p

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2478122
    echonine
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    Hardly…………………….Nowhere in your post (or Commander JB) did it state “Contracts Signed, Funds Released, Funds Approved, or Productions was on going!” Just back to the same old “intent” (i.e. planned, possibly, one day, maybe, anytime now, etc. etc.) Which, means jack………..grow up youngman. Wait till something is finally agreed upon and comeback then. At which time I’ll be happy to concede……..;)

    Fund have been approved, probably released. For production, the Su-35 is at the same stage as the F-35, if not farther ahead considering all models.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2478257
    echonine
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    U.S. GOVERNMENT RELEASES $1 BILLION IN FUNDING FOR PRODUCTION OF SIX LOCKHEED MARTIN F-35B STOVL AIRCRAFT

    FORT WORTH, Texas, July 31st, 2008 — The U.S. Department of Defense has released $1 billion of funding to acquire six Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft as part of the second Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) contract for the F-35.

    The LRIP 2 contract, worth $2.2 billion for a total of 12 aircraft, was awarded in May. At that time the government authorized six conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) F-35As, with release of $933 million, and gave provisional approval for the STOVL jets pending certain requirements. Those stipulations were met by the first flight of the initial F-35B test aircraft on June 11 and by completion of a propulsion system review on July 22. The government exercised the option for the STOVL aircraft and released the $1 billion on July 22.

    The government had previously released long-lead funding of $158 million in July 2007 for the 12 LRIP 2 aircraft. An additional $110 million of sustainment options remains to be authorized in the 4th quarter of 2008.
    “Getting these STOVL aircraft into production quickly is critical to supporting the USMC’s aviation recapitalization objectives,” said Dan Crowley, Lockheed Martin executive vice president and F-35 program general manager. “The F-35 Fighter Production System now has all 19 SDD aircraft and the first two LRIP 1 aircraft in flow. We will continue to ramp-up until we reach a peak rate of one F-35 per working day in the middle of the next decade.”

    Long-lead funds of $197 million for LRIP 3 were released on May 14 for 19 additional F-35s. The LRIP I contract for the first two F-35A production aircraft was finalized and issued in July 2007.
    The U.S. Marine Corps is expected to operate about 340 F-35Bs. The United Kingdom’s Royal Air Force and Royal Navy, and the Italian Air Force and Navy also will operate the STOVL variant, which will be the world’s first STOVL aircraft to combine stealth with supersonic speed.
    The first F-35A test aircraft has completed 45 flights and the first F-35B has flown nine times, with both planes demonstrating high reliability and exceptional performance. Nineteen other F-35s are in various stages of assembly, including the first two production-model jets scheduled for delivery to the U.S. Air Force in 2010.

    The F-35 is a supersonic, multi-role, 5th generation stealth fighter. Three F-35 variants derived from a common design, developed together and using the same sustainment infrastructure worldwide will replace at least 13 types of aircraft for 11 nations initially, making the Lightning II the most cost-effective fighter program in history.
    Lockheed Martin is developing the F-35 with its principal industrial partners, Northrop Grumman and BAE Systems. Two separate, interchangeable F-35 engines are under development: the Pratt & Whitney F135 and the GE Rolls-Royce Fighter Engine Team F136.
    Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin employs about 140,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture, integration and sustainment of advanced technology systems, products and services. The Corporation reported 2007 sales of $41.9 billion.
    F-35 and Lightning II are trademarks of Lockheed Martin Corporation.
    Media Contacts:
    John R. Kent
    817-763-3980
    e-mail [email]john.r.kent@lmco.com[/email]
    F-35 photographs and information also available at:
    http://www.teamjsf.com

    LMAO! This is exactly what we showed you on Sukhoi and the SU-35. :rolleyes:

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2478296
    echonine
    Participant

    Major orders are expected to be sign in the next few months with a couple of dozens already moving down the production line………..:p

    FOURTH F-35 LIGHTNING II ROLLS OUT AS PRODUCTION LINE FILLS UP AT LOCKHEED MARTIN
    FORT WORTH, Texas, August 18th, 2008 —

    Workers at Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth, Texas, prepare the fourth F-35 Lightning II for rollout from the factory on Aug. 16. The F-35B short takeoff/vertical landing variant has entered a period of systems checks before its first flight in early 2009.
    High-Resolution Photo

    With one F-35 Lightning II aircraft in structural testing, two in flight test, six in final assembly and another 14 in various stages of production, Lockheed Martin [NYSE: LMT] added to the program’s momentum on Saturday by finishing assembly of the fourth F-35 aircraft, a short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B.

    This is all lies. There is no F-35. Show me the contracts signed. Fax them over to me. :rolleyes:

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2478707
    echonine
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    If I were Russia I’d be in no hurry to roll out the PAK-FA. Give it another year or two so the F-22 production line is dead and buried and THEN roll it out. Why give any incentive to keep the F-22 line open? God knows the average politician is too stupid to think beyond the end of his nose.

    Well they aren’t going to mass produce it for another 4 years anyway so it’s irrelevant I guess.

    in reply to: Nato intercepts – Why? #2479394
    echonine
    Participant

    Why do NATO aircraft intercept Russian aircraft? If they are no threat, and you know what they are, why intercept them?

    Is it purely to help them navigate through civilian airspace where airtraffic is heavy? And if so, why can’t that be done via radio? Does the interception make any difference to the flightpath of the Russian aircraft?

    Is it all built up tension because of the Ukraine and others wanting to join Nato?

    Jay
    UK

    Possibly also as drill run of some sort against a real attack?

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2479397
    echonine
    Participant

    Sorry … but Your sources only speek again of …

    no word on “a contract is signed” !! …

    … in the same manner as the any future combat aircraft “will help” to … no word on “a contract for the delivery of xxx aircraft is signed”.

    To be honest … these are all the same political statements within the high-ranking military or the instustry like “the Su-34” will be, will, will, will … nothing happened so far.

    Deino

    It wouldn’t make a difference if they signed a contract or not, they could pull out of it any any time. They could do whatever the hell they want to do to Sukhoi (the government, that is).

    Fact of the matter is, money has been allocated to this, as per the re-armament budget. When the signature is made is irrelevant. Let the aircraft finish trials shortly, then you can see how ridiculous you are with these “wha wha it’s not signed it won’t be bought ever” arguments.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2479579
    echonine
    Participant

    Thanks you CommanderJB. Not necessary, as he’s just a whinining American fan boy anyway and won’t believe a thing he read. :rolleyes:

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2479703
    echonine
    Participant

    For the tenth time provide a source! PLEASE:mad:

    It’s been posted so go look for it FFS.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode V #2479733
    echonine
    Participant

    Well, Russia hasn’t upgraded the majority of its current Su-27 or Mig-29 Fleets or ordered the very capable Su-35. Let alone get the PAK-FA into the Air. So, I doubt they will beat the US to the punch…………with all do respect.:o

    For the ?? 3rd ?? time, they have ordered the Su-35, do you purposely ignore things that you don’t like? :rolleyes:

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