The Messiah® is further left than Jimmy Carter and we all know how it went for the military under him. In a nut-shell the military is f–ked. The only political entity with a lower approval rating than Bush (the Democrat-controlled congress) having the furthest left in the bunch at the helm? Watch them run wild with entitlement programs. My wallet is already feeling thinner. 😡

Yeah, time to wake up to reality and realize you can’t have your government rob other people and sovereign entities of their riches so you can profit. Quite funny how people will automatically hate a government that at least wants to show the foreign community some respect and dignity – something that the US lost completely in the last 8 years.

because that settles the debate, I assumed that you had photographic or video evidence.:rolleyes:

What fail! Hahaha . . . video evidence of Flankers. . . yeah right!

:D:D

I didn’t know CAP ran at 150M altitude, as flex mentioned. :rolleyes:

Agreed those larger missiles would hit hard. The problem is getting one to hit. AEGIS/SPY-1 was developed to cope with high volume fire from high alt, fast, diving missiles. You drive a missile in on the very parameters that the defending systems we’re designed to cope with and you cant be suprised if the defending systems cope with them!.

Yes! However, if hundreds of missiles are fired at a defending fleet, the amount of confusion on board the defending vessels would be huge also, and human error due to fear of being vaporized isn’t exactly unreal either! With those massive missiles, only a few need to get through to do their job, which still makes them effective, and any improvements, even of 3-5%, are considerable in favor of the offensive missiles.

Not to mention the clutter on the radars, and sneaky SSNs potentially using the stand-off missiles to launch torpedoes against the enemy fleet also.

An SS-N-16 with a Type40 + or Type-65 (can it be fitted?) is pretty serious.

Surely u know the range of Su-34. Sukhoi is boldly advertizing range of Su-27SM and Su-35. It is between 4000 to 4500km. Su-34 has more than 10 MTOW and there is no super maneuverability or high speed/high altitude g requirements. only 1.4 ton titanium cockpit. and is built with same advanced technolgy and materials as Su-35/PAK-FA.
Range will sure be much more with 3 Onyx than any other mulitrole figher. and Onyx range is much more than 300km in ground launched. Airluanch ur looking at 1000km+. So essentiall strike at more than 3000km into sea from land bases without airrefueling.

There is no way Yakhont can be used at 1000KM.

Yakhont is 120-300KM depending on launch altitude according to the original specs. Which is plenty.

Jonesy in few years time ( 5 years ) we would be looking at Hypersonic AshM ( M 5 – 7 ) in the inventory of Indian and perhaps RuN as well , I am reffering Brahmos-2 now under development , what kind of effective measures both Hard and Soft can be used to deal with Brahmos-2 type missile , assuming since its a joint development its range will be under 300 km ?

The Kh-15 is already in Russian service, and is hypersonic, being the short-range counterpart for the Kh-32 on the Tu-22M3 and one of the AShMs on the Tu-160.

Only one destroyers worth of ESSM and SM-6, nothing to cause any concern.

Yeah right. 😀

Got mathematical evidence / situational-realistic for that non-sense?

You had better start posting them then.

Just for the clueless:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=awst&id=news/aw081808p2.xml&headline=Georgian%20Military%20Folds%20Under%20Russian%20Attack

Ok, I looked it up, its a light tactical bomber, with only around 10 produced, which means that their isnt even one single full squadron of them in service.

Besides, its a replacement for the Su-24, which is basicly the russian version of the A-10.

You clearly don’t know a thing about Russian weaponry.

The Su-34 is also in full scale production now. It also happens to be able to carry some massive anti-ship weapons like the Yakhont and Moskit.

The Su-25 is the “A-10”

The Su-24 is a tactical bomber, not an CAS aircraft!