echonineSo why did you use the word redirected?:rolleyes:
No because it was the only ocean going ship available.
What? All navy ships are security orientated, thats the purpose of a navy…:rolleyes:
Because she was already tasked with the Venezuela cruise along with the Chebanenko.
No it is a specially designed ASW frigate and if anything is less multi-role than the Moskva.
I’m not even going to bother replying to your non-sense piece by piece. Redirecting merely meant sending it to specifically watch Faina now, versus just patrol the area. This isn’t something you comprehend though. Star’s post just confirms your lack of knowledge on the matter – I mean why oh WHY did the Pacific Fleet have this area, and not the Black Sea Fleet, back in the mighty Soviet days? Hmm! Guess the other fleets were out of commission! :rolleyes: What stupidity.
Goodbye.
echonineA two seater as an executive taxi ?
Fixed rates…by the mile…by the gallon of fuel?
I’m thinking more personal use.
If you could just make room for luggage, it’s like a special trip for you and maybe a SO 😉
echoninePosted this in the general news thread.
Seems like they’ll be operating a combination of Ka-52 and Mi-28N from now on.
echonineThe Tsar Bomba had an yield of 50 megaton. Originally it was stripped of its outer U-238 jacket to reduce fallout during the test. Now if Russia slap on the U-238 jacket to increases its yield to original planned 100 megaton yield, and detonated over the Pacific, we military fans can enjoy what a 100 megaton explosion would look like.:cool:
Well I did say quad-power because it would be 50x “4”
I know the original bomb could have been 100MT.
🙂
echonineA Royal Navy Group with 36+ F35’s on a CVF along with Astute, T45 and C1 could match that Group.
Similarly, a USN carrier Group with 48+ F-18E/F and F35C could match it.
With similar numbers of vessels the F-35 and especially the Hornet won’t even stand a chance against navalized PAK-FA, and if you throw in a Slava with every Kirov, and both with the modernized naval S-400, best of luck! 😀
echonineRussian Air Force to start receiving Ka-52 helicopters in 2009
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081009/117616797.html
VLADIVOSTOK, October 9 (RIA Novosti) – The Progress aircraft maker, based in Russia’s Far East, will start deliveries of the Ka-52 Hokum-B combat/reconnaissance helicopter to the Russian Air Force in 2009, a Russian business daily said on Thursday.
The Ka-52 is a twin-seat derivative of the Ka-50 Hokum-A attack helicopter, and is designed primarily for reconnaissance and target designation purposes. (Image gallery)
“We have concluded state procurement contracts on the production of Ka-52 helicopters. The helicopter, equipped with an on-board radar, is undergoing final tests at present,” the Kommersant newspaper quoted Roman Chernyshov, the Kamov executive director, as saying.
The Kamov design bureau is planning to supply Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters to foreign customers in the future, the official said.
According to Russian Air Force Commander, Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin, the Air Force will receive over 100 new combat helicopters, including the Ka-52 and the Mi-28N Night Hunter, over a period of five years, from 2011 until 2015.
echonineCivilian uses?
I’d say the single/2 seaters would work great as private jets.
Pass flight school, and get around quickly. :cool::D
echoninehttp://www.hindu.com/2008/10/12/stories/2008101254541200.htm
The article says Russia to start building carriers within the next two years, with the first “built by” 2013-2015.
What do you think the design of these new Russian carriers will be? Will they resurrect the Ul’yanovsk design (nuclear reactors and steam catapults), or build more Admiral Kuznetsov type ships? What will the air wing consist of? I read that Russia is planning a competition for Su-33 replacements, and the supposed contenders were the Su-27KUB and MiG-29K. Neither of which seems to be a replacement for the Su-33.
In a related question, was the Ul’yanovsk planned to have Tor (Gauntlet) or Buk (Grizzly) SAMs? I’ve seen both listed.
It would make much more sense to build a new-generation carrier, possibly with some things taken from the Ulyanovsk design. No point to deploy a Nimitz-generation vessel.
echonineWhy would the Russians send a ship to protect a Ukrainian ship carrying a Ukrainian cargo to Kenya, and dont talk about the six Russian crew on board.:rolleyes: How could a ship being sent to the horn of Africa be redirected to the horn of Africa?:rolleyes:
It can’t be redirected. It was going there anyway which is the whole point. 😀
That’s the reason this specific ship IS going there, it was supposed to be deployed there for whatever reasons the Navy wanted it to be.
It really does.
Prove it.
That is one of the most ignorant things i have ever seen posted on this forum. You can only send ships on deployment that are ready, Neustrashimy was the closest ship that was in the correct state.
Prove it. Especially after you have a close look at the Black Sea Fleet and figure out that the ships there aren’t really security oriented.
Why didn’t they just send Pyotr there? It was in the med. . .
If Somali Pirates dont have subs why did Russia send an ASW frigate?:rolleyes: The black sea fleet is not on hold, it scurried back to port at the first opportunity.
Neustrashimy is fairly multi-purpose armament wise.
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Two Russian Tupolev-162 strategic bombers — each capable of carrying 12 cruise missiles armed with single 200-megaton nuclear warheads — carried out exercises in Venezuela last month.
From what seemed to be a good article, this just made me LOL!
So the new secret bombers “Tu-162” with quad-Tzar-bomba-power cruise missiles now arm the RuAF. 😀
echonineIt is only overwatching the Faina because it was already going to Somalia. You deliberately tried to suggest that Neustrashimy was redirected, if you suggest otherwise now you are a liar.
It makes a massive difference, common sense dictates that you deploy the nearest available ship, in this case that would be a Black Sea fleet unit. The fact that a Baltic unit was dispatched suggests that none of the black sea fleet ships are up to the task.
Already going to Somalia, but NOT for the Faina? Possibly, either way, it was going to Africa, so in some way, it WAS “redirected”.
I’m saying again, it doesn’t matter if they sent a Pacific fleet ship.
There is absolutely NO correlation between operational status and what you send. What stupidity is this? It’s not like they need Neustrashimy to defend the Baltic, and if she was slated for overseas deployment earlier, for example, then she was going to get deployed there anyway.
The Black Sea Fleet is either on hold in case of another Georgian fiasco, or more likely, they don’t think they want to send the Slava cruiser flagship or Smetlivy ASW ship there (pirates don’t have subs, I don’t think :rolleyes:), and the Moskit armed corvettes aren’t exactly what you need either.
echonineSo? That is the point, she was specifically deployed to Somalia, that was her one and only mission. Jonesey’s point is that it would have been far more rational to task a Black Sea fleet ship rather than the Neustrashimy.
Neustrashimy was not deployed for the Faina.
What the hell is the difference? You said I suggested it was redirected from another deployment, and that I was wrong, and in fact I was NOT.
They could have deployed a Pacific Fleet ship for all anyone cares – it seems they wanted this specific ship to spend some time elsewhere and so it’s going there – and NOW, is going to overwatch the Faina along with the American ships.
echonineYou are implying that Neustrashimy was redirected from another deployment, there is no evidence for that. Everything points to her having put to sea with the sole mission of sailing for Somalia.
What the Faina did is irrelevant, she is a Ukrainian ship carrying a Ukrainian cargo to the Kenyan government. The small number of Russian sailors on board is really not an issue. Neustrashimy’s deployment is related to international prestige.
Neustrashimy was actually on the way to Africa . . .
“The Neustrashimy (Fearless) frigate from the Baltic Fleet left the main naval base in Russia’s Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad on Wednesday to ensure security in several regions of the world oceans,” Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo said.
“WEDNESDAY” is the 24th of September!
echonineYou are wrong Neustrashimy left Kaliningrad on the 24th September, at that time the purpose of the cruise was unspecified but was described as long range. Captain 1st Rank Igor Dygalo announced that the ship washeading for Somalia on the 26th September.
?! :confused:
Faina left on the 25th, Neustrashimy left on the 24th.
So how am I wrong? It was en-route already?
echonineOK so you are trying to distance yourself from the context of the original point.
Making it clear you didn’t understand what I was saying.
The Kirov was an offensive platform that fit into Soviet doctrine as a covering platform for submarines deploying into the Atlantic deep basin to interdict shipping from CONUS to Europe. You need to do some reading on Soviet Naval doctrine before trying to quote it.
Offensive is only part of the equation. Just as the Navy is only part of the whole military.
Wouldnt disagree with that. Historically they have turned out some very competent skippers as well.
Those subs are also part of the Navy – so the reduced number of surface ships since 1985 isn’t exactly tragic.
Read up about the Legenda system – that the Russian long-range antiship system hinged on for its long-range capability – after they realised that Uspekh wasnt going to be entirely surviveable and SSGN passive sonar couldnt be depended on to give enough data at range. I’m sure Legenda was conceived and designed by smarter people than me.
Legenda was only part of the guidance system. There’s no reason to believe some of the new satellites don’t incorporate some satellite component for the SS-N-19. Technology has gone a long way.
As for the Sovs for realism you have operational:
Pacific: Bystry (Burny finishing a refit?)
North: Besstrashny (now Ushakov)
Baltic: Bespokoyniy, Nastoichiviy
Based on what? Where’s the evidence for any of this? I want to see it.
You would accept that ‘in repair’ status does not equate to operational?.
This was for 2007.
….and in the process strip other theatres of any semblence of seaborne area AAW!.
Yes, but who cares? All-out war isn’t happening, and they could be used together in some surrogate conflict.
The Black Sea has opposition seapower pocketed up in an oversized bloody pond!. If there EVER was a theatre those Backfires and MR Fencers would’ve had a field day that was it!. Why not use this magnificent airpower when it can actually be employed to some good!!!. The Neustrashimy….was….in….the….Baltic thats a 4500-5000nm, 10 day, transit at a steady 20knts. For a navy thats not really been deploying a lot for a while thats ambitious when there are much nearer assets that could be used!. It does not make a lot of sense even tasking that vessel in the first place.
It was already deployed – I’m saying this for the 4th time now.
Don’t think there’s much to add here.
I’ve provided a LOT more than you have. That link isnt worth the bandwidth to download it and even then, after you take out comms, glonass, BM-EW and civillian platforms, with orbiter lifespan figured in, no it doesnt show a lot of possible platforms to be your ‘secret’ radar sats!.
The GLONASS birds are listed in dual purpose (military/civilian).
That leaves 40 satellites which you haven’t accounted for. (Well maybe 30, since I recall you showed me info on 10).
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