The Su-27 doesn’t have a 4000km range with weapons, and the figures I’ve seen are 4500km ferry range(with drop tanks), and 3600km on internal fuel.
I won’t argue that the Flanker is superior the the F-15E in ACM, but it doesn’t compare in the A2G role.

The Su-27SM can carry the entire arsenal of Russian A2G weapons, short of satellite guided ones and some massive anti-ship missiles, which aren’t all that necessary.

So no, it’s on par with the F-15E if not better.

Nice one … 😀 I think the times when China will start “copying” anything Russian after its first flight in Russia are finally over ! :diablo:

Let’s but these bad jokes beside … just received the recent AIR International issue with the Su-34 article !

Just the comparison of the individual delivery dates of each Su-27IB/-34 makes me fear a very, very, very slow progress on the T-50’s delivery.

Deino

As the military budget skyrockets in Russia, you’ll see much more equipment purchased yearly.

Russia is up to 92.78 billion in 2009. 25% increase over 2008.

Have you ever heard of the word ‘conversation’?

Oh boy . . . useful:D

The Russians have not had the resources nor have they ever developed a Stealthy 5th Generation Fighter. So, just because the PAK-FA is a later design hardly makes it Superior……..

That’s your whole argument?

The Russians have plenty of resources, and have had them for almost a decade now.

The US hasn’t developed a 5th gen stealth fighter either… till now… and the Russians are now there too. This is mind boggling logic?

Just because it exists doesn’t mean it will be better than the F-22 and/or F-35!

However, in all likelihood, since it was developed later, I wonder what’s more likely? Hmm . . . :rolleyes:

Not like the 1000+ people developing the T-50 have been sleeping and have never heard of the F-22.

Don’t get your panties in a bunch if it is better though, what’s the F-22 done lately anyway?

Not that select.

Where’s the data then? :rolleyes:

I am talking about using diesel subarmines for protection out in blue water. Do you think it is enough having a SSK sitt still and wait for an enemy sailing by? As a protector you need to patrol the area the boomer is operating in, That can not be done at 3-4 kts. Everytime she surface she expose her self from beeing picked with passive and active sensors. As a boomer, you do not want one nearby you. Boomers will never be used for protetion. Maybe during time when leaving port and reurning to port you can have 2-3 Diesels protect the coast just outside, but then theyr role is over.

That’s not the discussion here now is it?

We were debating the non-need of the Russian SSBNs to even wander out very far, which means, SSKs can be great protection.