Out of curiosity where did 0.00001 sqm come from?

It’s the marble SOC, the flying marble. :rolleyes:

Maybe you could explain how being able to understand Russian would make this statement less retarded?

“By virtue of size alone the new Sukhoi jet will be superior in terms of performance and capability.”

(This should be good 😉 )

Not this, merely your debunking of Russian sources and videos/interviews on the matter, because you clearly don’t understand the language making you a terribly misinformed member on many Russian military topics. That is all. :rolleyes: And a dreamy, delusional fanboy at that, who omits what he doesn’t like and accepts what he does.

You are hardly making a case. Russia is taking its time because it hasn’t had the resources and why it had to enlist India to join the programm. As for my signature. That doesn’t make my case weaker or yours stronger. What we do know is LM has had the resources and technolgy. Russia has not…………

Your making wild claims without even a once of facts.

Where is India in all this? Other than some future potential buy that’s not even related to the one for the RuAF?

Now go whine more about how 25% less RCS is going to win-win every time. :rolleyes:

You don’t think it’s retarded to judge capability and performance purely on size alone? (And someone’s CLAIM at that.) The ONLY thing KNOWN (vs fanboy fantasies) at this time is the name. Everything else is speculation.

You know nothing and that is evident since you are not Russian. The PAK-FA thread has a link to an interview with Pogosyan and information on what Sukhoi has released including a picture of the cockpit simulator. Go read up.

The PAK-FA hasn’t even flown or even seen in the Public nor does Russia have experience in Stealth. While LM has decades…………and who would claim Russia is the equal of the West let alone the US in Electronic, Avionics, and Powerplants. Really, you are making some very big leaps with little to back it up………………….

Exactly. They are taking their time to build the jet to ensure it can rival its best competitor.

Electronics? Russian designers pretty much run Samsung with their ideas?

Avionics? I wonder who designed the first used PESA radar, who currently possesses some of the most potent ECM systems, etc.

Powerplants? The 2nd engine to power the PAK-FA will have 40,000lbs of thrust, that’s 5,000 more than the F-22.

What do you have to disprove anything I’ve said with concrete evidence? Even BEFORE I replied with the latter.

The US Military has a requirement alone for between one and two thousand F-35’s. That of course doesn’t even count the thousands need for the export maket! Just look at the types that are ending there service lives in the next 10-20 years. (i.e. F/A-18’s, F-16’s, F-15’s, A-10’s, AV-8’s, Mirage 2000’s, Mirage F-1’s, F-5’s, F-4’s, Mig-21’s, Mig-23’s, Mig-29’s, etc. etc. etc.) Really, the F-35 is going to sell easily in the thousands………..;)

We know all about the US requirements . . . and what they actually end up paying for especially recently.

Hey, I’m just floating an idea (albeit a bit extreme/worst of the worst case scenarios). I mean stranger things have happened- who’d have thought 18months ago US sub-prime mortgage fallout would lead to near global financial meltdown?

Let’s look at a better case scenario, as per bring_it_on above: cuts in numbers acquired which will bloat unit costs to well over $100m (today’s prices, note probable sustained $ recovery)-either way potential customers will look to more cost effective alternatives- maybe Boeing still considers the SH as offering considerable growth potential, Eurocanards & Su-35 may join the fray- dare I say it maybe even PAK-FA-MK(X)?!

The PAK-FA will likely beat the F-35 in price anyway, which means if its exported, it will be a prime choice for most countries who would buy from Russia, even in a slightly downgraded version.