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  • in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2492773
    echonine
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    Russian MOD still is saying right now on “Russia Today live” that two aircaraft were downed. So no more have been shot downed

    He said that TU-22 was beening used for recon. They dont know how it was shoot down but believe it was a SA-15 Tor.

    They also said that the Tu-22 crew did survive and Georgia is holding them.

    Was this a Backfire or some reserve-Blinder?

    Either they are being really casual with the designations, or it’s a mistake.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2492837
    echonine
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    You can never know which is truth and what is disinformation. As far as I’m concerned, all three parties involved are/could be full of horsepucky and I don’t trust their side of the story no matter what they say.

    You prefer CNN? :rolleyes:

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    Rumor is an S-200 hit the Backfire.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2492842
    echonine
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    So what’s the scoop on the Russians targeting civilians? 2000 dead in a couple days?

    RT reported that Georgian “special forces” were targeting civilian basements with hand grenades in a back part of the city.

    The Georgians were apparently also targeting ambulances?!

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2492844
    echonine
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    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-11_Gadfly

    For that your not in need to do low level bombing to suffer from. 😉

    True, friendly fire and the BUK are both the most likely causes.

    But the Backfires are also designed for low level penetration, so who knows, maybe we’ll get details.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2493120
    echonine
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    Russian armed forces spokesperson confirmed the loss of one Tu-22 and one Su-25.

    I think most people would agree they are talking about a Backfire, not a Blinder I take it?

    Seems a little odd a Backfire would be shot down, probably doing low level bombing?

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2493126
    echonine
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    I seriously doubt a Tu-22M3 has been lost (the only possible aircraft if they’re talking about a Tu-22). It’s probably an error – I bet they meant Su-24.

    That’s what I’m saying. A Backfire loss seems a little odd.

    The Tu-22 Blinder was what the news report said. . . but the source of the information wasn’t given, all they said it was “emerged details of the confirmation of downed aircraft”

    A Frogfoot loss seems likely with the amount of short-range AA/SAM guns in Georgia’s possession.

    Ink,

    The defense minister acknowledges the loss of 2 jets, but didn’t elaborate.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453522
    echonine
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_South_Ossetia_War

    Has a ridiculous amount of info actually.

    Seems like there are claims that Flankers and Fencers have air superiority of Tskhinvali.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453532
    echonine
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    Echonine,

    Got a link for this news? I haven’t been able to find anything online.

    This was quoted detail from LIVE news feed by me. There is no online source for it.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453544
    echonine
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    any quote?

    The Georgians claim to be under attack from strategic bombers, so Tu-22 fits into this picture.

    Georgia claims 5 Russian aircraft shot down.

    Only saw video of apparently Su-25 falling in flames out of the skys.

    What air defence does Georgia posess? Is there any footage of russian air defence systems in georgia?

    As mentioned, the fact that Tu-22 does not make sense is that the Blinder is out of service – or should be. They may have been referring to the Tu-22M Backfire.

    I was paraphrasing what I heard in a news report.

    * 15 SA-11
    * 38 SA-3
    * 18 SA-8
    * 35 ZSU-23-4
    * 15 S-60
    * 40 MT-LB with towed ZU-23-2

    Is Georgia’s air defense capability.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453571
    echonine
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    Russians declare the loss of an “Su-25 Frogfoot”, and a “Tu-22 Blinder”.

    Tu-22 makes no sense, might have been a Tu-22M.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453578
    echonine
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    Russian kit shot down by Russian kit?

    Seems so… kinda ironic I guess.

    Coulda been anything from an SA-11 to SA-8. . .

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453623
    echonine
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    Russian Defense Minister confirms the loss of 2 military aircraft, no details though.

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453633
    echonine
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    Russia Today is covering this very well (in English).

    http://streaming.visionip.tv/Russia_Today

    EDIT: They’re covering it well, but you need to understand the biases of the newscast.

    You’ll get the opposite of what you hear on CNN. . .

    in reply to: PLA (All Forces) Missiles 2 #1786024
    echonine
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    Do you lads get taught this routine all in the same place before you are allowed onto the net Echo?. You exhaust the options you have for countering my argument technically so then you resort to vacantly blurting out that it would never happen anyway so its all irrelevent?. You all follow exactly the same tactics?.

    This one is 1/10 on your part.

    Anyone on this site will tell you my opinions of the RAF and that they are not all that high. They have though nearly 70 years of experience in maritime patrol and, more specifically, oceanic patrol missions. They still make glaring mistakes in long-range ship recognition despite first-rate technology and all that operational experience. How do you justify the PLANAF doing any better with poorer kit and a fraction of the experience?!.

    Like I said, don’t use the Royal Navy or AF here, it’s hardly relevant.

    Look up the words RESOLUTION and ASPECT. There is a picture of a Chinese radar display scope on this thread – its an old-style PPI. You are not getting the resolution on that scope to tell which contact is a ‘bit wider in the beam’. You need a SAR capable radar and about 10m resolution to tell detail at the level you are talking about. You’d also need to be about 100km from the target…which might be just a bit risky!. Also you need the target to be at the correct aspect to your radar platform to get the correct profile. From stern port quarter a Nimitz is going to have a near identical radar profile to a VLCC even at 10m SAR res.!!!. 2/10 Echo – must do better.

    Right, so the Nimitz is just going to hide in a sea lane and sit there. 😀 And the escorts will follow behind like a line of ducks . . .

    Of course you can. The problem, which no-one has solved yet, is finding the carrier and fixing its position for long enough to coordinate a strike of sufficient weight to saturate its defences.

    The Soviets/Russians could find them, I’m sure the Chinese could manage, they are not the Iraqis.

    What have Combat Air Patrols got to do with the kind of ocean reconnaissance that the PLANAF is capable of mounting at extreme standoff. The CAP is programmed to form a barrier between a set HVU and a pre-determined threat axis – hence the other acronym BARCAP. You are suggesting that the PRC has enough recon assets to BARCAP the whole South China Sea?.

    Extreme stand off is a little bit of a stretch for 500KM off shore. FORCAP simply means they would be escorting strike groups or recon groups, which is what I’ve been saying repeatedly.

    LOL. What makes you think I’m the only one who knows the way this works in the real, non-internet fantasy, world!. A USN Lt Cdr painted the pic clearly enough above. I’ll let you into a little secret, lots of Warfare Officers, in Navies all over the world know what the limits of OTH targetting are!. Why do you think so few OTH missile shots have ever actually been attempted!:rolleyes:

    Don’t ask me, because NATO’s missile technology is pretty amateur as compared to that of the Russians in terms of OTH? :rolleyes: More realistically, what do you think aerial guidance platforms have been developed for? :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Georgia invades South Ossetia #2453739
    echonine
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    It is quite amusing to see how people support Georgia here, even when they started the assault on the S. Ossetian capital at 2AM local time as was reported. If anyone is starting a war, it’s the Georgians.

    In terms of aviation, I’m sure we’ll get details within a week TOPS of who and what bombed what.

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