Enjoy..

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php?g2_itemId=1081

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/main.php?g2_itemId=1055

Majority of the posts are a result of egos.. :rolleyes:

I liked what F-22 did.. definitely tells that the engines would not surge out of lack of air..

I also liked what the Flanker and Fulcrums do… also tells the similar capabilities from the engine POV..

rest.. why are we comparing the other stuff as stealth/tactics here.. F-22 or Flanker in itself are nothing when they are used out of their respective SYSTEMS… I mean.. these aircrafts are to be used by their forces as a part of their fighting WINGS/SYSTEM where every damn single small or big aircraft/personnel/logistics/etc/etc matter..

silly comparisons.. is’nt it..

I think the questions needs to be “is India getting a good return on its vast investment”?

Scooter.. this is very subjective.. can you highlight as to what GOOD RETURN would mean..

For every Mig-29 lover.. this is a wonderful place to visit..

http://pilot.strizhi.info/

btw.. 29K would look fabulous when painted in the ghost gray colour scheme of IN..

Mig-35 getting ready for AeroIndia 2007..

With due respect to all the members out here..

Please consider following when saying this is the best/worst deal etc etc..

Political climate and relations of GOI with the countries
Finance kitty availaible to IN in current and future projections
There priorities in allocation of these tight finances
Limitations of the shipyards today and there future upgrade plans
AND VERY IMPORTANT
Inefficiencies in the Indian Bureaucratic setup
along with
Political strings… (Classic case of IAF rejecting the good F-4 deal from US after China war in 62 because of such political strings…)
a couple more maybe……

Gorky may not be the best re-furb deal.. but what was/were the realistic options availaible to IN at that time.. gorky deal in itself stretched for so long… like other deals.. as HAWK and SCORPENE to name a very few..
As for the aircraft onboard the Gorky.. please consider the political strings attached to the deal ….everything is not in IN’s hand… ex CNS Prakash liked Rafael a lot.. he was/is also very appreciative of the JSF and it’s qualities… but he still cannot have them because of the points I have mentioned above..

Let’s all consider and review the design and development of the IAC 1 first rather then speculating about the IAC 2/3/4/5/6 etc etc… It’s fine to construct a hull.. what’s even more important would be the standards followed… quality adhered to.. and the system integration…. (where we always lag behind in ordering the system on time first… )

In my Dreams.. I would like to work with Russia getting there Project 1153 OREL blueprints and working further on this and modifying it with best of electronics and self defence equipment from Europe/Russia and getting the US Capapults..

Order for 8 of such types with IN getting 6 and russia keeping 2…with the 2 for IN being built in Russia and rest being built at CSL in India… Aircraft for IN would be JSF and N-LCA with appropriate support systems…. :diablo:

And Why is that ?? Not the production capability but why do you think the F-35 to not be worthy ??

🙂 because production capability of this order is much more time/money consuming for us then designing this an aircraft of such high standards..

otherwise.. I think I went overboard in saying that production capability to be level up.. but sure it is indeed as important as the design of the aircraft itself..

Designing and developing the production line/technology is as important as the aircraft itself.. I would rather keep it a level above the aircraft design ….

I (am an India) would have loved to have the production technology/capability of this order then the aircraft itself.. 🙂