StevoJHImagine trying to bomb a T42/T45 with a Mk.82 while you have a phalanx mount throwing 6,000 rpm at you.
OUCH!
StevoJHActually, the main problem was trying to scale up Kockums’ proven Gotland class design into something twice as large with sonars and other major systems sourced from third-party foreign suppliers.
Kockums were the ones who scaled up the design, not ASC, ASC just built the design. And they built them better then Kockums, who screwed up the pressure hull cap on HMS Collins.
They would have been better off if they just built the Gotlands.
Gotland class construction did not start until after the construction of HMS Collins started, plus they do not have the range and weapons carrying capacity specified as requirements for the collins class design.
What exactly does the mission profile require that can’t be met by any existing design? If it’s a question of range they can just build 12 Type 214’s to compensate for six Collins.
1) Can a T212 Transit to the northern pacific and then spend a couple of weeks sniffing around certain areas before coming home? There are some interesting articles on the internet about the activities of the O-class off Soviet bases during the cold war.
2) The RAN has enough trouble crewing the collins class, let alone trying to crew 12 submarines.
StevoJHTrue, he has the Type 45 with Sea Darts indeed.
But the RM in the story do not refuse to go ashore. They already are ashore in numbers when the air support lacks entirely because Ark Royal is sunk
Oh, something happened to the Apaches or Lynz AH.7’s that would have deployed aboard HMS Ocean and/or RFA Argus
and the Rapier batteries… well, they are worth little more than nothing, let’s not kid ourselves. In fact i’m hoping that, whatever the SDR cuts, the Rapiers left are the first thing to go. They are too limited in range and ceiling anyway to give any real protection against anything more than choppers.
You are kidding right? Against an enemy like Argentina who only have dumb bombs and unguided rockets, they are perfect. Especially since you have to remember that the Rapiers of the 21st century are a completely new ballgame from the Rapier’s of 1982.
The fact that the soldiers are ashore and under fire is what justifies the surrender of the battlegroup. The cease fire is allowed only after the surrender.
Err, ok, I don’t remember that part, and it doesnt make sense, but whatever…
Russia’s intervention is apparently a “never going to be” scenario… But you never know. They wouldn’t risk a submarine, but they could very well supply one at bargain price, or secretly supply missiles (the Sunburn or the BramHos are nasty things to contend with, far worse than any Exocet) and thus you can’t exactly just say that it is folly.
Sure, but i’m fairly sure those missiles are both ship launched, and guess what, the Argentinians don’t have anyway of targetting them, and they also don’t have anything they can be fired from, oops.
In wars, especially when there’s large amounts of oil on the table, many things can happen.
Unfortunately for Russia, they are not Western Europes only possible source of Natural Gas, just the closest.
USA gave some intelligence support to the Uk. Someone else may have interest in helping the other side, you can’t know.
They gave more then intelligence.
And planes are the worst enemies of ships, second only to SSNs.
Only as long as the aircraft are appropriately modern, and the Argenintians aircraft are nothing but Phalanx/Sea Wolf/Sea Dart/Sea Viper bait as it currently stands.
A lot of people wondered how the Hell the Argies could do so much damage to the RN in 1982. As a matter of fact, they did.
And even 6-8 months later…..well….check out the number of T42’s, Sea Wolf Leanders and T22’s in service come about January 1983….
But he’s not totally unrealistic either
Yes he is.
StevoJHGiven the length of time the Chinese have been working on Varyag, I don’t think we need worry about any difficulty in adapting her for different engines & boilers. They’ve had time to make any internal changes necessary, or make new boilers to fit.
They’ve had time to dismantle the entire hulk and put it together again if they felt like it.
StevoJHI can’t blame them for feeling that way. Even with foreign collaboration with nearly all the major systems the Collins class ended up a huge dissapointment. Trying to get Australian industry to come up with a state-of-the-art submarine design all on its own is a disaster in the making. The Aussies should just buy American(well, in this case, European) and build locally, like they do with most of their defence systems.
1) Most of the problems were due to a) The design itself, which was the fault of kockums and b) The combat system which was the fault of the RAN.
2) There are no existing European designs that fit the mission profile for the Collins class itself, let alone their replacements. The only conventional submarines with similar mission profiles are the Japanese submarines, and they don’t like co-operative weapons programs with countries other then the US.
StevoJH“Ghost Force” of Patrick Robinson is a book about a second Falkland war scenario in which the RN gets humiliated.
The worst written book and scenario he ever wrote in my opinion, and it is very obvious that he did not get technical help from retired RN people like he did in his previous books (he states as much in the forward IIRC).
1) He has T45 firing sea dart
2) He has the RN fleet surrendering rather then just sailing away
3) He has the Russians sinking an RN carrier and then getting away.
4) He has the RM’s refusing to go ashore without air support, that would not happen, they would obey orders.
5) How the hell are the argentines being so damaging with their Airforce when they only have about 30 active fighters in their entire inventory at the moment?
6) The RN carriers are old and decrepid but the older USN carriers are not?
This is just going from memory, and I could go on….
StevoJHIt looks more stealthy with regards to radar, but less with regards to IR.
and less agile, compared to F-22.
Big Vertical tail = bad if you want to be low observable by radar’s apparrently….
StevoJHCompact nuclear reactors can now make Jet Fuel in addition to generating power aboard USN Carriers.
Here’s the link. 🙂
The benefits of R&D are amazing.
Really? they’ve worked out how to convert radiation into diesel? :diablo:
The silly article has been deleted from the web site.
StevoJHDo you believe that 400 TLAMS could penetrate Chinese airspace in the even that Missile bases facing Taiwan, and threatening Guam needed to be neutralized ?
Not all of them would get through, but a lot probably would.
Does China have the ASW assets to hunt these SUBs?
Potentially, but the problem is…..take a map define a part of china with a large number of strategic targets, now take a compass and draw a circle with a radius of 1,500nm. That is your search area.
Have fun with that.
And lastly what can a OHIO hit from Diego Garcia?
From Diego Garcia? Doesnt matter when they can move a couple of hundred nautical miles in less then 24 hours.
StevoJHI think I am being a bit dense do you mean that instead of a shopping list (it must have x, y, z) we should instead be saying what roles do we want each ship to fulfil and then design the minimum platform to deliver that role (kinda like what they are doing here http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2010/01/fdr-maritime-future-part-3-another-view-on-c3/), if so what do you think each of the C1, C2 and C3 roles should be?
Edit – I should mention I think the design proposed in Think Defence seems a bit of an over-kill but who knows hey!
Also, what about the OPV’s that the Netherlands’s ordered back in 2007, are they a good example of what the RN needs or are they instead too large and expensive to make a good C3 platform?
The got the Major wartime task of the ships wrong anyway. The ships are MCM/OPV’s on steroids, NOT ASW Frigates.
edit: not=/= now, lol
StevoJHIs the golden sheen a special coating of theirs or is it just a trick of the light?:) Either way they look great.
As per reports of their technical problems I’m assuming those are the only two going on patrol?;)
I think its just the sun reflecting off the Hull.
Yes, but not because of Technical problems. Those two ships are 1/3rd of the fleet, fairly sure HMAS Collins is working up as well. (given the refit cycle, about the highest number available at one time).
The biggest problem the RAN Submarine Service is having at the moment, is in crewing the submarines in the first place. Though they are probably having an easier time of it at the moment then they were 3 or 4 years ago.
StevoJHNot at all mate, I believe that all military training in every form should be handled by the military and not contracted out to corporate contractors who don’t really care about the country- just their profits.
Especially since it will cost a contractor more to maintain their aircraft at the same standard as a first class military would require as they don’t have economies of scale in parts orders.
Plus on top of this they need to show a profit, generally with the higher levels of a company being paid much more then an Equivilent military officer.
Its a false economy in my opinion.
StevoJHYes, but I thought the French Air Force were already operating Fighter-Bombers from airbases inside Afghanistan? :confused:
StevoJHFrance’s flagship aircraft carrier looks bound for Afghanistan
France’s flagship Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier will likely be deployed in the coming months to Afghanistan, the staff officer of Paris’s armies, Admiral Christophe Prazuck, said Wednesday.
“We are in the middle of working on a program that would involve aerial support for the military operations in Afghanistan,” Prazuck said.
The Charles de Gaulle, the pride of the French Navy, has already carried out four major military operations in the Afghan war.
Full Story
Afghanistan has a coastline? When did that happen?
StevoJHAny updates on the Russian Mistral deal? I’ve been reading up on it and I can’t understand why they’re so desperate to get their hands on its systems. Most of them already have equivalents in the Russian defence industry. The MRR-3D-NG radar isn’t even a phased array system and is comparable to the Podberezovik series. The rudimentary air defence system already has superior Russian counterparts. The only extraordinary thing I can find are the propulsion system, navigation radar, Integrated BMS and maybe the ESM suite, all of which can be purchased separately for integration on a Russian LPD design.
If Russia wanted to acquire the latest Western naval technology they should be looking at frigates and destroyers, not LPDs.
While less “powerful” then Russian systems, maybe they are more technically “advanced”, with the russians wishing to reverse engineer the technology to use on their own new designs. 😉
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