I doubt you’d get Mach 1.25 at 200 feet with 48 external Mk82 bombs.

If we call the F-111 a third generation bomber which uses terrain following at night or all weathers to defend from third generation fighters such as MiG-21, early MiG-23, etc.

Along comes the next generation MiG-29/Su-27 fighter, with a game changing technology (look down radar and shoot down capable R-27 [Alamo] series). It stays at altitude and has a higher intercept speed than the terrain-following F-111.

The immediate response is a self escorting fighter such as the F-15E. The final response to fourth generation fighters is a fifth generation technology such as very low observable airframe (F-35, PAK FA, F-22) or VLO cruise missiles such as JASSM, Storm Shadow, etc.

I thought the terrain following was to avoid GCI radar and SAM’s.

Aegis wont ever be intergrated into a frigate for australia – CEC link the frigates to the Aegis destroyers and your off.

Sure, but the ANZAC replacements will probably get AUSPAR and SM6 and ESSM, they wont get Aster and I doubt they’d get CAMM.

The Australian Navy is switching to NH90 – if an EH101 can fit so can an NH90.

They might still be getting MH-60R….:mad:

ESSM , SM2/6 could be launched from a Mk41VLS, although I suspect that they would be interested in the low cost option of CAMM

You can pay integration costs, unless they also use the Australian SAAB (not the swedish one) combat system, which along with the differences in fitout mean you might as well design a completely new ship….or use the F-100 hullform….

really I take it the F-111 has to go at full after burner, clean to reach M2.5, how long can it do this for before *******ing up the engines or running out of fuel. not as long as the typhoon can dawdle along without afterburner at M1.5 or 1.2 which ever source u believe I suppose, to sum up id bet typhoon would run down the F-111 eventually.

If you are trying to “catch” the F-111 it has already dropped/launched its ordinance. Intercepting from a frontal aspect shouldn’t be a problem for Typhoon.

– New Zealand: 2
– Canada: 8/12
– Australia : 8

Not unless Australia and the other countries decide to ditch our US weapons systems.

I question this Nils- with all due respect mate. The RAN Trackers are sitting at HMAS Albatross burnt out after a fire took the fleet out- sabotage was suggested but never proven. There are a couple that have been saved; 1 by the RAN Flight Museum at HMAS Nowra and the other which is being brought up to flight standards with HARS- I saw it three weeks ago in Hanger 2.

Wait, they lost two lots through to fire now? I remember reading that the original S2’s got burnt and replacements were bought…..they got burnt after being withdrawn from survice? Someone must have a weird sense of humor……

RAAF/RAN Jet Fighters:

1st gen: Vampire & Meteor
2nd Gen: Avon Sabre & Sea Venom
3rd Gen: Mirage III & Skyhawk
4th Gen: F/A-18A+
5th Gen: F-18F
6th Gen: F-35A

Left F-4’s off the list as they were operated in the strike role, as are the F-111’s.

RAF/RN Jet Fighters:

1st Gen: Meteor & Vampire
2nd Gen: Hunter Sea Venom, Javelin etc
3rd Gen: Lightning, Sea Vixen
4th Gen: F4 & Sea Harrier
5th Gen: Tornado F2 & F3
6th Gen: Typhoon & F35A

Generations can be shown so many ways that it is pointless. And manufacturers have twisted definitions to suit their purposes. For example supercruise originally referred to supersonic flight without afterburner. Boeing and Lockhead have now tried to change that (with some success) through marketing and lobbying to define it as flight greater then Mach 1.4 or 1.5 without using afterburner.

Its all marketing hype, get over it, if you want to discuss the benefits and disadvantages of the individual aircraft, do so, however I would suggest that continuing the discussion about generations….well….it could go on forever….

Edit:made those lists completely from memory so some stuff may be misplaced etc, just made them up as a rough example of generations for particular airforces.

nar, aus/us just have more black projects than anyone else

Plus Australia spends a lot more on Wages then a lot of other Nations armed forces. Especially on the people in highly sought after trades.

Ok guys we dont really have a land based sub forum, but I wanted to ask something.

The Falklands have become a small issue again and some people question if 4 Typhoons are enough. I say more than but I wanted to ask about a change in set up on the island.

Every time I drive home to Portsmouth area I pass the Type 45 Sampson radar test site on portsdown hill. This is basically a exact copy of what is on the type 45’s used to test the radar and such.

Could we pack that up and put it on the falklands? With a land based cannister of Aster 30 missiles arent we pretty much saying you dont have a chance in hell of getting anywhere near us?

Too many hills for a single Sampson. From memory there are three Air Search radars down there to direct the typhoons as it is.